The Logan could be interesting with the 'small' engine, but it's still a bit heavy for my taste. I think it is better to have a smaller car, and attach a trailer to it and put a roof box, and that a few days a month of overconsumption, rather than a big heavy empty 95% of the time that will reject an excess of CO2 all year round ...
Glad your daughter got nothing. Sheet metal is just material.
When the stress of the road, ditto for me. Go on a bike if you can, it's really relaxing ...
Boycott of automakers
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It seems to me that the majority of the population is in the "fun car" trip and will not hesitate to have fun by buying a car.
So a boycott would seem totally ineffective to me.
Personally, I only buy old cars that consume little that I repair and make last. (No criteria of fashion or appearance at all costs.) My car is a tool !!! Which I am attached to all the more since I worked on it. .
When I look at the car budget of the people around me, it confirms my choice.
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It seems to me that the majority of the population is in the "fun car" trip and will not hesitate to have fun by buying a car.
So a boycott would seem totally ineffective to me.
Personally, I only buy old cars that consume little that I repair and make last. (No criteria of fashion or appearance at all costs.) My car is a tool !!! Which I am attached to all the more since I worked on it. .
When I look at the car budget of the people around me, it confirms my choice.
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[Eugène Ionesco]
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[Eugène Ionesco]
http://www.editions-harmattan.fr/index. ... te&no=4132
I refuse to buy new or too recent is spending too much for vehicles whose technology sold is a pure scam
Toyota, the world's leading manufacturer that gets bogged down in making hybrid vehicles that consume 4 to 6 liters per 100km, doesn't give a damn about us
The RAV 4 EV marketed from 1997 to 2003:
(Source: http://www.clean-auto.com/)
Offered much better performance than a prius despite its unfavorable weight and aerodynamics:
- Maximum speed: 126 Km / k (40% higher than an electric clio)
- Range: 130 to 190km (2,5 times better than French electric vehicles)
So we can easily imagine that a RAV4 EV equipped with an on-board generator manages to consume less than 3 liters per 100km!
Comparable performance and consumption values are already obtained by individuals who themselves transform their car into electric vehicles ...
Like my friends, I refuse to be the slave of technologies (electronics, multiplexing ...) for the most part useless for the consumer and which only increase the profit margin of manufacturers. These technologies, in addition to their questionable reliability, are not even mastered by the after-sales networks of manufacturers ...
The CO2 emissions ... of my vehicles are very high but I have made up my mind by limiting as much as possible the use of our cars which are all over 12 years old, run on LPG, and will last the maximum despite their 160 km (almost new for a safrane) and 000 km (just running in for a volvo). this is what makes it possible to amortize the emissions linked to their construction-deconstruction.
Toyota, the world's leading manufacturer that gets bogged down in making hybrid vehicles that consume 4 to 6 liters per 100km, doesn't give a damn about us
The RAV 4 EV marketed from 1997 to 2003:
(Source: http://www.clean-auto.com/)
Offered much better performance than a prius despite its unfavorable weight and aerodynamics:
- Maximum speed: 126 Km / k (40% higher than an electric clio)
- Range: 130 to 190km (2,5 times better than French electric vehicles)
So we can easily imagine that a RAV4 EV equipped with an on-board generator manages to consume less than 3 liters per 100km!
Comparable performance and consumption values are already obtained by individuals who themselves transform their car into electric vehicles ...
Like my friends, I refuse to be the slave of technologies (electronics, multiplexing ...) for the most part useless for the consumer and which only increase the profit margin of manufacturers. These technologies, in addition to their questionable reliability, are not even mastered by the after-sales networks of manufacturers ...
The CO2 emissions ... of my vehicles are very high but I have made up my mind by limiting as much as possible the use of our cars which are all over 12 years old, run on LPG, and will last the maximum despite their 160 km (almost new for a safrane) and 000 km (just running in for a volvo). this is what makes it possible to amortize the emissions linked to their construction-deconstruction.
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delnoram wrote:A2E wrote:I voted NO because I expect nothing from the manufacturers knowing that they are in league with the oil companies!
You should have voted yes because apparently you are ready to wait indefinitely before buying a car for them.
I maintain what I said above Delnoram because I would never buy a new car and even less a French! the next purchase will be a US diesel-powered Chevrolet Van from the 80s-85s.
The kind of puncture-proof utility vehicle where I have the freedom to intervene for maintenance and not these s ......... cars that for a yes or a no put themselves out of service and that it is MANDATORY to call a mechanic and all his electronic equipment for ordinary troubleshooting!
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A2E wrote:
I maintain what I said above Delnoram because I would never buy a new car and even less a French! the next purchase will be a US diesel-powered Chevrolet Van from the 80s-85s.
The kind of puncture-proof utility vehicle where I have the freedom to intervene for maintenance and not these s ......... cars that for a yes or a no put themselves out of service and that it is MANDATORY to call a mechanic and all his electronic equipment for ordinary troubleshooting!
We are quite on the same course, what I wanted to say is that I had considered the "NO" of the survey as an answer of the kind: "No I would not wait, I would buy them a car as soon as I need it".
But it is true that the poll question does not specify "NEW" for the change of vehicle.
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Crispus wrote:
The only downside when it comes to making vehicles last: over time, original spare parts become scarce and more and more expensive. And with the announced elimination of breakages under a false environmental pretext, maintaining your old vehicle risks being as expensive as buying a new "disposable" one at the end of the warranty ...
And after ??? You surprise me !
Personally I'm ready to spend a lot more to recycle than for new "disposable" as you say so well!
Yesterday I had my inkjet printer repaired, the translation belt was ruined: repair cost: 70 €.
I had a small craftsman work for 45 minutes, instead of a Chinese for 2 minutes and a cargo driver for a while ...
My car cost me € 2500 plus € 2500 to change an axle, fix 2-3 odds and ends, and it only has 260 km. For 5000 € I would have had a more recent one but this one would have ended up scrapping! And in addition if I have concerns with the dual fuel (yes me too!) I prefer to screw up a 265k engine than new!
Of course, Denis
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