Tension with Russia in Ukraine

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Re: Tension with Russia in Ukraine




by Remundo » 03/02/23, 00:19

This goes against the doctrine of deterrence nuclear which has always been observed.

"preventive nuclear strike": these 3 juxtaposed words make one shudder...

Zelenski lost all reason, but we already knew that.

I think that neither NATO nor Russia want to engage nuclear weapons, even those qualified as "tactical". The stakes are not high enough, after all, the subject is to draw a line of demarcation in a territory that was Russian for 3 centuries...

But if Zelenskiki continues to do the kéké, this line could approach kyiv, or even Poland
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by Christophe » 03/02/23, 00:22

A Chinese spy balloon has been detected by the Pentagon over the northern United States. Fighter jets took off but it was decided not to shoot it down, in particular because of the risk to ground safety from debris

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by Christophe » 03/02/23, 00:24

Remundo wrote:This goes against the doctrine of deterrence nuclear which has always been observed.

"preventive nuclear strike": these 3 juxtaposed words make one shudder...

Zelenski lost all reason, but we already knew that.

(..)


Zel is the deterrent of reason... : Cheesy:
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by izentrop » 03/02/23, 01:32

A former pro Russian FN could only distort the information... and you swallow it because it suits your propaganda...
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by Obamot » 03/02/23, 09:51

And Zizi "the dirty con of disinformator" who brings out his 'paranoid' ticket (and constantly floods us with fake news). Because beyond reason, I do not remember that there is here (among the sane) a "a body made up of members of the forum, aligned with the same paradigm" except the servile zinzins who report here indiscriminately the caricatural contents of the mainstreams, relentlessly broadcasting government propaganda like the "funny ones"!

Christophe wrote:
Remundo wrote:This goes against the doctrine of deterrence nuclear which has always been observed.

"preventive nuclear strike": these 3 juxtaposed words make one shudder...

Zelenski lost all reason, but we already knew that.

(..)


Zel is the deterrent of reason... : Cheesy:

Faced with its successive failures, the kyiv regime regularly follows a 3-phase pattern as explained above:

1) the shock of defeats, invariably linked to the
phase of denial... (lie/distortion of reality)

2) the annoyance, linked to the phase of depression.

3) acceptance, linked to the resignation phase.

It is an 'emotion' / 'feeling' based pattern of behavior
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Re: Tension with Russia in Ukraine




by Christophe » 03/02/23, 10:34

izentrop wrote:A former pro Russian FN could only distort the information... and you swallow it because it suits your propaganda...


Another pathetic tweet that the zizi loves it (must insult to be credible? Yes, but only when you're a stupid jerk! : Mrgreen: ) ...

So the video is not authentic in your opinion? Do you speak Ukrainian?
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Re: Tension with Russia in Ukraine




by Obamot » 03/02/23, 11:02

: Idea: This is not the first time he has made this type of threat, which began before February 24, 2022 (up to the UN platform....)

— Yes, but you don't understand, it's rhetoric
"fanatic ultra-nationalist Democrats moderate : Mrgreen:

Using an "A" bomb preventively, you can't say it's a method 'neo-nazi", it shocks the ears... : Twisted: Besides, don't insult him, he's not "Jewish", he's neo->–>—> Zionist
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by gegyx » 03/02/23, 11:12

After the three stands selected by French general officers from the three Armies, German general officers are also getting involved, although it has never been their habit to protest.
These open letters, communicated by a French general officer, show that unanimity is far from being acquired in the ranks of NATO, for a Russophobic crusade carried out for the sole US interests.

https://reseauinternational.net/lettres ... rs-lourds/
Protest against Germany's continued support for Ukraine with tanks and other heavy war equipment
by Sebald Daum, retired Major General,


With the decision of the Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, Mr. Scholz, and his government to finally deliver 14 "Leopard-2" tanks to Ukraine and to allow other NATO countries to also Leopard tanks at Ukraine's disposal, Germany enters a new phase of participation in the war against Russia and thus materializes the declaration of its Minister of Foreign Affairs to be at war with Russia.

By this decision, Germany not only prolongs the carnage in Ukraine, it becomes a party to the war. At the same time, Russia is becoming more and more the enemy of the German people and everything that was important in friendly relations with Russia is being permanently destroyed, especially in the East as well as in the FRG as a whole.

I would therefore simply like to recall a few important facts:

– that the Soviet Union took the largest part in the liberation of the German people from Hitlerian fascism, with more than 27 million dead,

– that after 1945 the Red Army and the Soviet people did not surrender blow for blow and did not shower Germany with hatred, as is now again the case in Germany against Russia,

– that the Soviet Union and Russia played a decisive role in the reunification of Germany, because without their agreement, there would have been no “united German fatherland”,

– that Russia has voluntarily withdrawn its occupation troops, in good faith, within the framework of good neighborly relations, while American occupation troops are still present in the country,

– that Russia has accepted that Germany is not neutral, but remains in NATO,

– that it was not Russia that moved closer to the borders of Germany or the EU, but that NATO troops are now on the borders of Russia,

– and finally, it should be remembered that it was the United States and NATO that staged a coup in Ukraine in 2014, drove the elected president out of the country and militarily armed Ukraine and put it in position against Russia so that it can and does wage a war against its own people for 8 years.

Have we forgotten all that, is it now the thanks for all that the Soviet Union and Russia have done for Germany, or are we already ready to go to war a third time against Russia? Should the German "Leopard" tanks roll against Russia like the German "Tigers" in the past? Have we so quickly forgotten the results of Stalingrad and Kursk, or do we want to come back to these defeats?

Never again was war an unwritten law in Germany. Never again must hatred and cries of war against Russia prevail in Germany, never again must the cries of "do you want total war" rise against the peoples of Russia.

This is why I raise my voice in protest against Germany's delivery of tanks and other heavy war equipment which prolongs the war and the massacres in Ukraine. May the voices of reason prevail and may countless people contribute in this direction to prevent war.


German tanks against Russia – revolt of my conscience
by retired Lieutenant General Manfred Grätz.


It's time again. Dreaded by countless people, desired and evoked by a minority who forget history or arrogantly despise it, who feel called to rule our country and vassalage follow the transatlantic ally, zealously supported by an aligned media landscape once again, and now officially announced by the Federal Chancellor. The sending of tanks to the East is decided.

The hair of many people stands on end, bad memories wake up, including in me. At the time, these were still childhood memories.

Born in 1935, I am or was actually still a child of World War II. Too young to be already used for the arms race of German fascism, but old enough to understand that war means only immeasurable suffering, misery and inhuman extermination. I lost my father. A cold, heartless letter from his company commander announced that he had apparently "fallen for the Führer, the people and the fatherland in heroic defensive battles against the Bolshevik enemy...".

Occasionally, memories come flooding back, like when we were teenage boys sitting by the train tracks and watching the many military transports, with giant white inscriptions: "The wheels must roll for victory." Today, we can read: "German tanks in the direction of Russia". The parallels, the similarities are undoubtedly easy to recognize. The nights of bombardment, the air raids, the town of Chemnitz in flames not far from my village, all this contributed to my learning from my childhood to hate war and to desire peace. I finally experienced the end of the war as the liberation of Germany from fascism by the Soviet army.

Almost eight decades have passed since those events. The young boy at the time grew into an 88-year-old man, who lived a full life in a time rich in historical events.

38 years of peacekeeping service in our National People's Army, including six years of study at the SU, are part of it. I freely admit it, I love this country, knowing that today's Russia is no longer comparable to the US. But the people whose fathers and grandfathers fought for their homeland against German fascism and also liberated us, remained. Warm and kind people, friends!

All of this and much more comes to mind in the context of all that is happening right now. The spirit is still awake, even after 88 years.

It's a whole mixture of feelings and sensations that moves me, dominated by anger and disappointment. Anger rises in me when I am confronted with the unilateral attribution of responsibility to Russia, generally to Putin, to Putin the aggressor, to Putin the war criminal, without any basis. Putin is responsible for everything that is currently happening in the world. Forgotten or deliberately glossed over the entire history of the war in Ukraine, forgotten the West's failure to live up to its word on NATO's eastward expansion, forgotten Putin's speech to the Bundestag in 2001, in which he held out his hand, offered peaceful cooperation and was then greeted with a standing ovation, also forgotten was the speech given at the Munich Security Conference in 2007, in which he spoke of NATO's enlargement to the 'Is like a threat to Russia's security interests.

Anger mounts when Mrs. Baerbock, after all our country's foreign minister and diplomat at the highest level, launches, unsuspectingly and without any diplomatic skill or even decency, "we are going to ruin Russia".

On the same level is the frequent chatter about whether we are already belligerent or not, often sounding like we are searching and probing whether or not we can go one step further. For me, it's art without bread. The fronts have been clear for a long time. We are in it. What more should be done when we have already delivered tanks and other heavy weapons for the “noble” purpose of defeating Russia?

It is also dangerous to see politicians and so-called experts discussing the subject of escalation, perhaps with nuclear weapons, with "small tactics" first, on talk shows or on other occasions, unsuspectingly and recklessly. Already forgotten Hiroshima and Nagasaki, these two Japanese cities victims of the first dropping of atomic bomb on an inhabited territory, without any military necessity. By then, World War II had long been decided, both in Europe and in the Far East. And as everyone knows, it wasn't the Russians! Forget all the suffering and misery, all the deaths that number in the tens of thousands, and the long-term effects that these "two small guns" have caused for decades, by today's standards. Unimaginable and irresponsible to play with fire in the present! As a former soldier, I say to all those who only think of such an adventure: war crime!

About war crimes! Does anyone still talk about it about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? We forgot! Classified, the greatest war crime in the history of mankind, committed by the United States.

I find it not only regrettable, but also disturbing that our politicians, who have governmental responsibilities, are also resistant to consultation. I am thinking here of the fact that the opinion of experienced soldiers, specialists in their profession, is increasingly relegated to the background, or rather trampled on, and that it is no longer perceptible to the public. Shouldn't we be worried when a General Kujath, an excellent connoisseur of the subject, including and especially of NATO, has to present his remarkably real assessments of the situation in a Swiss newspaper? Or when a General Vad, former military adviser to Mrs. Merkel, speaks in Alice Schwarzer's EMMA newspaper (don't get me wrong, respect for Mrs. Schwarzer!).

Or when even US Army Chief of Staff General Milley was reprimanded by the Biden administration for his real assessment of the situation in Ukraine and his findings were glossed over?

I don't even want to talk here about other soldiers, even former NVA, who might know the Russians well!

All this according to the motto "what cannot be must not be". The fact remains that with German vassalage, we faithfully follow the war policy of the United States, our main transatlantic ally, which aims at world domination. What's up, Germany? I'm wondering. Or to paraphrase Heinrich Heine: "If I think of Germany at night, I'll lose sleep over it!" »

One more word to all the members and sympathizers of our association, to my comrades and friends.

Raise your voice, don't hide.

Write, in any form and by any means, and remember your name and rank.

Seek and find our allies, also participate in their demonstrations.

Together we are stronger.

Take to the streets, if you're still fit and mobile. Speak with people, despite the divergent interests represented there.

Nobody wants war among the protesters.

All this is my conscience telling me. Please consider yours as well.
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by Obamot » 03/02/23, 13:34

Excellent! 8) This all the more so as if we take up in detail the words of Rob Bauer (president of the NATO Military Committee), we realize that it is a nice bunch of broken arms at his head!

After remarks go to war against Russia...
"(just in case... huh, no pushing)"

He said without flinching that:
- "NATO had to be better prepared because Russia currently has the military initiative.
— "The fact that your enemy has better weapons is not the enemy's problem. It's your problem"
— "The introduction of a 'wartime economy would be a difficult process.'


But did not hesitate to hammer:

NATO is ready for direct confrontation with Russia!

Give me 2 mins. ...to have a good laugh and recap the topo of this indescribable clown?

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Re: Tension with Russia in Ukraine




by Christophe » 04/02/23, 08:52

izentrop wrote:A former pro Russian FN could only distort the information... and you swallow it because it suits your propaganda...


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