Thermal buffer: avoid surface evaporation of hot water with oil or other blocking product?

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Re: Thermal buffer: avoid surface evaporation of hot water with oil or other blocking product?




by Christophe » 22/01/23, 15:17

dede2002 wrote:Did you measure the melting point temperature?


Around 60-70°C it is progressive...

dede2002 wrote:In your buffer, how does the hot water from the panels arrive? under or on the surface?
And where does the air come from that fills the panels every night?


Under, in both cases...but the water intake is deeper (close to the bottom) than the return (2m under water) it seems to me.

Sounds like a good question... : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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Re: Thermal buffer: avoid surface evaporation of hot water with oil or other blocking product?




by dede2002 » 22/01/23, 15:22

At home, the water comes above the level, and when the pump stops, the air rises in the panels. Hence my question.

Because it creates a stir, conducive to the creation of emulsions.
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Re: Thermal buffer: avoid surface evaporation of hot water with oil or other blocking product?




by Christophe » 22/01/23, 15:26

No, when the pump is running, I don't hear any water falling into the buffer...but when the pump starts, I hear bubbles...

It could be a problem...when the wax is solid...but the layer should quickly crack.
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Re: Thermal buffer: avoid surface evaporation of hot water with oil or other blocking product?




by dede2002 » 22/01/23, 15:26

Christophe wrote:
dede2002 wrote:Did you measure the melting point temperature?


Around 60-70°C it is progressive...

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Theoretically, it shouldn't be progressive...
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Re: Thermal buffer: avoid surface evaporation of hot water with oil or other blocking product?




by dede2002 » 22/01/23, 15:30

Christophe wrote:No, when the pump is running, I don't hear any water falling into the buffer...but when the pump starts, I hear bubbles...

It could be a problem...when the wax is solid...but the layer should quickly crack.


This air cannot have been taken from the bottom of the buffer...
There must be an airing of the panels elsewhere?
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Re: Thermal buffer: avoid surface evaporation of hot water with oil or other blocking product?




by izentrop » 22/01/23, 19:04

Christophe wrote:In real life it is decreasing (currently less 20 to 30 cm in 14 years
You have time to see it coming and no need to bother with preposterous solutions, so... :P
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Re: Thermal buffer: avoid surface evaporation of hot water with oil or other blocking product?




by sicetaitsimple » 22/01/23, 19:05

Have you ever posted a curve showing the evolution of the water temperature of your buffer during a typical year?
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Re: Thermal buffer: avoid surface evaporation of hot water with oil or other blocking product?




by Christophe » 22/01/23, 19:40

dede2002 wrote:
Christophe wrote:
dede2002 wrote:Did you measure the melting point temperature?


Around 60-70°C it is progressive...

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Theoretically, it shouldn't be progressive...


Theoretically no but practically yes: it's not homogeneous...

Look above at the IR photos of the PIZZA-looking surface : Mrgreen: ...you will understand...
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Re: Thermal buffer: avoid surface evaporation of hot water with oil or other blocking product?




by Christophe » 22/01/23, 19:44

dede2002 wrote:
Christophe wrote:No, when the pump is running, I don't hear any water falling into the buffer...but when the pump starts, I hear bubbles...

It could be a problem...when the wax is solid...but the layer should quickly crack.


This air cannot have been taken from the bottom of the buffer...
There must be an airing of the panels elsewhere?


Yes of course.

In fact there is a copper capillary that follows the main pipes of the solar panels...never knew what it was, well it may be an air pressure tap/balancing between the top solar panels and buffer air volume?

This capillary is not visible in the cellar...so I don't know exactly where it goes... :?: :?:
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Re: Thermal buffer: avoid surface evaporation of hot water with oil or other blocking product?




by Christophe » 22/01/23, 22:24

izentrop wrote:
Christophe wrote:In real life it is decreasing (currently less 20 to 30 cm in 14 years
You have time to see it coming and no need to bother with preposterous solutions, so... :P


Well yes, but no, because there you are just thinking about the lack of water... I am also thinking about the energy aspect, ie maintaining the temperature and reducing heat loss.

When I see the huge temperature differences (up to 30°C!) between the 2 trial bowls...I think this will boost calorie storage in an interesting way! (see very 1st post of this thread)...
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