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PACES: spontaneous flow heat pump (JL Brochet)




by Christophe » 01/12/15, 15:49

I bring up to date this technology developed by Jean-Luc Brochet that I had discovered in the early 2000 ... and that we spoke very little here finally ...

The full title: "Electrostatic method of spontaneous flow heat pump". Here is a documentation (fortunately saved because the site is HS) which presents the technology: https://www.econologie.com/fichiers/par ... 2sFD3I.pdf

Attention it's a broom at the physical level ...

For summary it is a heat pump that plays on the quantum levels (I summarize) and therefore does not need a mechanical pump to work!

Its manufacture could be set up by microprocessor manufacturers ...

According to the documentation with a river like the Rhine one could get several thermal GW!

After my level in "atomic" physics is insufficient to estimate if this theory is realistic or completely smoky ... But considering the quality of the writing I think that there is something to dig.

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by Exnihiloest » 01/12/15, 22:09

Christophe wrote:...
The full title: "Electrostatic method of spontaneous flow heat pump". Here is a documentation (fortunately saved because the site is HS) which presents the technology: https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... 2sFD3I.pdf

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After my level in "atomic" physics is insufficient to estimate if this theory is realistic or completely smoky ... But considering the quality of the writing I think that there is something to dig.

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Unfortunately I'm afraid she's a smoker.
"Gas molecules" are neutral therefore generally cannot be accelerated in an electric field. They can only either if they are ionized, or if they are polar (like the water molecule) and the field is not uniform.
The author speaking of polarization of molecules, I suppose that it is placed in the case 2. It shows us well, page 11, the effect of a field obtained close to a charged body, except that it is a single electrode with strong curvature therefore which presents a high field on its surface and which is reduced when one moves away from it: it is the condition of attraction of the polar molecules. Here it works, the molecules are well attracted. On the other hand, between the plates of its device, the electric field is constant, so it has no attraction effect: in this case, the field simply exerts a couple that will orient the polar molecules according to their polarity by rotating them. on the spot, without accelerating them linearly.

This paper is not physics. Pike is drowned in uninteresting engineering details, while the equations modeling the principle and allowing the calculation of the energy balance are absent, or scattered without any logical consequence, or very general, "boat" and not strictly connected to the device envisaged .

If we no longer talk about it today, it is undoubtedly that we ("we" including the author himself perhaps) realized that it could not work.

However, there remains the general idea which is interesting: the electrostatic or electrodynamic way for a heat pump, with avoidance of the compression / decompression of gas, very penalizing energetically. We should dig. With the magnetic fridge we know that it is possible in magnetodynamics. The electrical equivalent is surely possible too.
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by SebastianL » 31/12/22, 09:39

It is an interesting proposition, indeed!

Without definitive certainty, the thing that makes me wince is the comparison to atmospheric attraction and its temperature gradient.
I feel that there is negligence that an electrically polarized molecule necessarily also has a polarized magnetic field.
And so as the imposed electrical attraction field only represents a maximum capture of 10% of the kinetic energy of the molecules, so that the molecules can still wander between the hot and cold plates, there is always the agitation of the molecules. 3D molecules at the level of the hot plate, which will radiate energy by variable magnetic field and thus restore their energy to the molecules at the cold source and balance the system.

The molecular magnetic field is precisely the variable that can disappear on the scale of an atmosphere, where only the kinetic energies count.
Whereas in an ultrathin layer, we absolutely cannot ignore the magnetic interactions of these polarized molecules!
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by Exnihiloest » 31/12/22, 13:07

SebastianL wrote:...
I feel that there is negligence that an electrically polarized molecule necessarily also has a polarized magnetic field.
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It will be necessary to revise the electromagnetism, obviously you do not control at all, and it is an understatement.
An electrically polarized molecule has no magnetic field seen by an observer linked to its frame of reference.
A magnetic field only appears if there is displacement of charges with respect to the observer (see Maxwell-Ampère's law linking the magnetic field to the current density).
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by SebastianL » 31/12/22, 14:12

Yes you can try to smoke whoever you want but the particle moves well in relation to the others so there is magnetic interaction, if this was not the case the invention would work and we could extract energy for free, the famous free impossible lunch in physics
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by Exnihiloest » 31/12/22, 17:44

SebastianL wrote:Yes you can try to smoke whoever you want but the particle moves well compared to the others...


Completely silly remark, in addition to a trial of intent. Even polarized, molecules are globally neutral, so if they move, in groups or relative to each other, their current density remains zero and therefore their magnetic field too.
Even if a molecule created such a magnetic field, which is false, the orientation of the molecules being random, the global macroscopic magnetic field would remain zero.
Only magnetic dipoles, therefore rotating charges or electronic spins, therefore currents, globally oriented along the same axis, produce a macroscopic magnetic field, this is what we have in magnets or in ferromagnetic cores subjected to a external field. And of course ordinary electric currents produce a magnetic field in the same way.

Obviously you lack basic knowledge of electromagnetism, probably scientific knowledge in general, and that's what makes you think you have some valid ideas that "smart people", as you say, should follow. Surely they don't need you.
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by SebastianL » 01/01/23, 04:39

Exnihiloest wrote:
SebastianL wrote:Even if a molecule created such a magnetic field, which is false, the orientation of the molecules being random, the global macroscopic magnetic field would remain zero.


You take away the "what's wrong" and we're good.
Precisely these molecules with an electric field have a random orientation, with a thermal vibration, which leads to negative and positive pole separations which changes the spatial coordinates of the electric potentials, the electrons being subjected to this variable and vibrating electric field, these electrons slow down then accelerate constantly, then become a photon emitter, infrared perhaps?
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by SebastianL » 01/01/23, 20:12

And even if the electrons do not become a photon emitter, they characterize a displacement of electric charge, produce a variable current therefore a magnetic field which can make induction towards its neighbors which surely have the same mode of vibration.
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