The latest figures and weather consequences of global warming

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Re: The latest figures and weather consequences of global warming




by humus » 10/08/22, 09:33

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by Ahmed » 10/08/22, 21:51

Einstein who is much more than a great scholar, recommended: "Don't listen to those who have answers, but those who have questions". A "human" disposition that would explain everything would explain nothing since the choices of the various human groups are very different, even if the triumph of a certain civilization introduces a falsely unifying bias.
It is the workhorse of many media prophets who advocate a radical change (!) of "narrative" or "awareness", all things that have no chance of changing anything (it doesn't matter). never done before), this in full coherence with the substance of their speech which, once expurgated of the great "revolutionary" declarations and of a few very "radical" proclamations of principles, only wish to maintain the existing with the a few gadgets that would allow it.
As for the conceptual tools provided by Roddier, tools of which he was unfortunately unable to exploit the full potential, their vocation is precisely to help us to understand the complexity and to find our way around it, not to secrete ready-made solutions: it is the journey that is important, knowing the journey has no end...
Men represent a tiny part of the universe and to understand the latter is a complete illusion and a rather ridiculous pretension. Finding operational conceptual diagrams would already be very good. I say operative in the sense that they would be capable of really explaining, not just providing a satisfying explanation for the mind (there are a lot of those, as you note). I am convinced that sticking to appearances can make it possible to satisfy this last requirement (if one can say so!), but it is at the cost of a logical loop...
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Re: The latest figures and weather consequences of global warming




by humus » 11/08/22, 08:14

Ahmed wrote:Einstein who is much more than a great scholar, recommended: "Don't listen to those who have answers, but those who have questions".

So I stopped there to read you : Mrgreen:
Seriously, there comes a time when by dint of asking questions, we have answers.



Ahmed wrote:A "human" disposition that would explain everything would explain nothing* since the choices of the various human groups are very different, even if the triumph of a certain civilization introduces a falsely unifying bias.


*premature conclusion of one who has not searched enough, still caught in a complexity that is only apparent.
It is important to identify the root causes of everything.
As far as humanity is concerned, it is necessary to understand what a human being is, how it functions, what drives it.
Basically, every human being is a biological entity, driven by the quest for satisfaction, the flight from suffering and the need for security.
Find me someone who doesn't work on this register. : Mrgreen:
Satisfaction, suffering and security, beyond survival, are eminently cultural traits. (learned, cultivated, one will be satisfied with bullfighting, the other with eating vegan. There is total opposition of action between these 2 individuals, yet each is driven by the same quest for personal satisfaction)
Eastern philosophy offers the individual to detach himself from this basic functioning, to take a step back on what this quest for satisfaction, this flight from suffering and this need for security make us do. Proposes to put a little intelligence in all this: to introduce a neutral gaze, outside of any cultural conditioning, it's called meditation.
It will not speak to those who only know identification with their own culture and above all do not want to get out of this conditioned state, because they instinctively feel the risk of destroying their ego.

Capitalism proposes not to ask questions and to respond with full rights to this quest for satisfaction, this escape from suffering and this need for security, and neglects in passing any natural limitation.
(valid at the beginning...)
A first people, if it does not have an elaborate spiritual culture, is also in this quest for satisfaction, this flight from suffering and this need for security. Just that his culture will not make him want the latest fashionable Smartphone elsewhere.
Its means and its desires, linked to its culture, are of limited (destructive) scope.


To make the earth livable over time by our species, (is that what interests us? Sometimes I doubt it about you, as you enjoy finding brakes and avoiding any solution) there are 2 ways:
-The spiritual path, taking an impersonal perspective on one's own culture. A long personal journey that does not arouse the support of those who are very satisfied with their identification with their cultural conditioning.

- or another way, live in a virtuous culture, a virtuous framework, or at least, less rotten, less deleterious than what has been done so far through productivism, capitalist or not. In short, establish a reasonable and reasoned framework, in the light of current knowledge.
This cultural framework (rules of survival) would be chosen by the designers but would be suffered by any newcomer, like the baby who is born today in capitalism, and has not chosen it.

And the climate in all this?
It is we who have modified it and modify it every day, we have destabilized it, driven as we were by our carelessness to satisfy our quest for satisfaction, our flight from suffering and our need for security.
It is absolutely necessary to meet these primary needs otherwise it is possibly chaos.
On the other hand, we must respond to it in a way that is compatible with the climate, with the sustainability of life, including us.

And Roddier in all this?
To solve human problems I don't see the point of disempowering humans by placing them in a setting where they would only be the consequence and plaything of energy.
Assuming that's true, it doesn't help solve anything about us.
But already I can say that it is false, by the disruptive character of the human spirit which can go against this so-called self-will of energy to dissipate without counting.
Humans can be intelligent and establish something reasonable and sustainable.
The human is indeed at the center of his own problems, energy being a tool in his hands.
She would be very fine energy if we decided to do without her. : Lol:
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Re: The latest figures and weather consequences of global warming




by Janic » 11/08/22, 08:40

Basically, every human being is a biological entity, driven by the quest for satisfaction, the flight from suffering and the need for security.
Find me someone who doesn't work on this register.
Not only humans, everything that lives is subject to it. This is also what explains its own excesses.

PS: it's been a while since orientalism came back on the carpet. Not that it's bad in itself, but unsuited to our way of life and thought inherited from our millennial culture.
For example if the DL had meditated, he would not have supported the crazy campaign of experimental vaccination as what he has westernized too! Which was far from proof of intelligence!

Covid-19. The Dalai Lama calls for vaccination...https://www.ouest-france.fr › Health › Viruses › Coronavirus
March 7, 2021 — The Dalai Lama received his first dose of the Covid-19 vaccine this Saturday, March 6, in a hospital in northern India.
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Re: The latest figures and weather consequences of global warming




by Forhorse » 11/08/22, 08:47

Janic wrote:For example if the DL had meditated, he would not have supported the crazy campaign of experimental vaccination as what he has westernized too! Which was far from proof of intelligence!


In fact, whatever the subject, you have to bring everything back to vaccination, it's going on in a loop up there, vaccination, vaccination, vaccination...
At family meals, you must be the dodgy uncle who always talks about the same thing.
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by humus » 11/08/22, 09:14

Janic wrote: unsuited to our way of life and thought inherited from our age-old culture.

However, it turns out that reality* is unsuited to our age-old culture. : Mrgreen:
Who must question themselves, who must evolve? Reality or our thousand-year-old culture, more precisely us, the humans who convey this culture?

*Demography, limited resources, environmental degradation including climate.

After our dear DL does with the information he has at his disposal, that does not exempt him bullshit, like everyone else.
In fact meditation changes our inner relationship to events but it does not give the infused science.
No doubt he will live better than another, the fact of having said bullshit.

A vaccine in itself, in principle, is rather beneficial. : Mrgreen:
If we stop there, we understand his logic.
I will not continue on the vaccination, uncle : Mrgreen:
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by izentrop » 11/08/22, 17:19

humus wrote:After our dear DL does with the information he has at his disposal, that does not exempt him bullshit, like everyone else.
In fact meditation changes our inner relationship to events but it does not give the infused science.
No doubt he will live better than another, the fact of having said bullshit.
Religion is not incompatible with science, Pope Francis also encouraged this act. Nor is it synonymous with conspiracy : Mrgreen:
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by humus » 11/08/22, 18:47

izentrop wrote:
humus wrote:After our dear DL does with the information he has at his disposal, that does not exempt him bullshit, like everyone else.
In fact meditation changes our inner relationship to events but it does not give the infused science.
No doubt he will live better than another, the fact of having said bullshit.
Religion is not incompatible with science, Pope Francis also encouraged this act. Nor is it synonymous with conspiracy : Mrgreen:

It's easy to manipulate words, a good vaccination who would be against except Janic? : Mrgreen:
On the other hand, covid injections are dangerous*, ineffective since people still get sick and pharmaceutical companies, including Pfizer, are the companies that use corruption the most in the world. We are in the tens of billions $ all the same....
When you know that, I find it hard to believe that you can continue to trust blindly. You really have to be permeable to media fear or be a sheep at heart to accept being stung with these injections.
Conspiracy? yes that of fear and capital : Mrgreen: But it's face to face, can we talk about a conspiracy?


* It is recognized that any vaccine with such a high rate of side effects would have been withdrawn from the market. You really have to be desperate to accept (+ make mandatory) these injections.
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by izentrop » 11/08/22, 19:45

humus wrote: covid injections are dangerous*, ineffective since people still get sick and pharmaceutical companies, including Pfizer, are the companies that use corruption the most in the world.
Sorry but it's pure and hard conspiracy based on rumors and not on facts, but hey! this is not the subject, we will not dwell on it. : Wink:
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Re: The latest figures and weather consequences of global warming




by Christophe » 11/08/22, 21:52

More than 4 billion fines, aren't they TDC facts? And in real life they would certainly deserve 10 times more…

You should review your definition of conspiracy...
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