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Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 19/01/22, 20:26

robob wrote:That, for example, is crap.
Anyone can make this kind of shitty video with a doctor friend.
This kind of tweet really does a disservice to the opponents by making them look like clowns.

Exact. Between "El dictator" and "Le general" (Both "official", well, the ultimate degree of disinformation and recovery are reached.
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by Christophe » 19/01/22, 21:07

Janic wrote:https://www.gettr.com/streaming/poo4rr9e2d
To listen absolutely! Nobody invited incorrectibles, it breaks wood!


Too long !

Extracts :





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by Janic » 20/01/22, 08:23

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Too long !
the longer it is, the better it is!
I really don't understand this mania for being satisfied with little bits cut from their context, like the back cover. Especially since there it is important since censored elsewhere!
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by Rajqawee » 20/01/22, 09:08

Janic wrote:paradise
The problem you have for many of you is the notion of diagnosis: covid is not a "main or associated diagnosis" in hospital medical information, it is a "respiratory distress" type diagnosis code that it is completed with a "covid" flag, from the clinical examination and/or the pcr result (often both.), which has been created in an unprecedented way.


Thank you for that clarification ! But hospitalizations do not concern ONLY respiratory distress and therefore serious cases. But are they accounted for covid despite everything?
That's how it works home. Basically, it's an extra label, the structure of medical information mocking WHY you have this PATHOLOGY. Basically, we don't care if you broke your leg skiing or mountain biking, what we note is that you broke your leg.
This is good ! but is this the case everywhere?

Yes, the structure of hospital information is the same everywhere in France.
Regarding covid, we therefore use specific codes created for covid, to identify them, but these are not the main diagnoses. Yes, there is a code (the U0712 "asymptomatic carrier, virus identified") which counts the covid even if the patient was admitted for anything else, for example.

To sum up: current hospital information classifies patients by pathologies, and a special code has been added to find out if they have covid or not. Knowing if they returned because of the covid is more delicate (but if we take for example someone whose main diagnosis is respiratory distress, and that he also has the covid, a priori, he returned well because of the covid)
Little anecdote: one of my relatives enters the hospital for leukemia and is therefore followed and treated for it. An intern puts him, badly, a catheter and the treatment products flow into the lungs and the doctors do not notice it right away. Infection and discussions between the leukemia specialist and the respiratory tract doctor and where each affirms, to the family, to control the situation which nevertheless worsens and the patient finds himself in a sterile room, the nurses (confidentially) acknowledging that he has little chance of getting away with it and indeed he dies.
Final diagnosis to indicate the reasons for death in medical language incomprehensible to the uninitiated, but which meant "he died from respiratory arrest"Nothing about the treatment, nothing about the failed pose, it's all for the best! :?

Mistakes exist, unfortunately with dramatic consequences. Again, cause of death is always clinical in hospital information, it doesn't address why it happened. But it should be written in the medical file (not all of which goes back to the hospital information, of course.)
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by Janic » 20/01/22, 10:06

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Knowing if they returned because of the covid is more delicate (but if we take for example someone whose main diagnosis is respiratory distress, and that he also has the covid, A PRIORI, he returned well because of the covid)
Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) is a very serious form of respiratory failure, characterized by acute diffuse inflammatory lung damage1 which leads to increased permeability of alveolar capillaries and non-hydrostatic pulmonary oedema.
Not all ARDS are covid and not all covid are ARDS, however, so it becomes easier to prioritize covid during an epidemic: right? But without it being the real cause of death, for example!

Janic
"he died by cessation of breathing"; Nothing about the treatment, nothing about the failed pose, everything is for the best!
paradise
Mistakes exist, unfortunately with dramatic consequences.
Obviously ! it's like vaccinating without necessity! unfortunately with dramatic consequences, too!
Again, cause of death is always clinical in hospital information, it doesn't address why it happened. But it should be written in the medical file (not all of which goes back to the hospital information, of course.)
yes, there can be a break between two aspects of the question, but to hold this speech, above, does not come out of this break, but rather to open the umbrella vis-à-vis the families (trial for example) vis -à-vis doctors' insurance because there was an accumulation of obvious incompetence, each claiming to be in control of the situation!
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by Rajqawee » 20/01/22, 10:18

Absolutely. Moreover, the doctors do not say, in our country, that they particularly treat covid, when this is the case: the treatments are not so different from other similar viruses, in particular the flu.

For the specific case of your loved one, I don't know.
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Rajqawee »20/01/22, 11:18
Absolutely. Moreover, the doctors do not say, in our country, that they particularly treat covid, when this is the case: the treatments are not so different from other similar viruses, in particular the flu.
it's that you have good people in your hospital, doctors not technocrats! : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 20/01/22, 14:08

It cracks:

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by gegyx » 20/01/22, 18:30

Christophe wrote:
Janic wrote:https://www.gettr.com/streaming/poo4rr9e2d
To listen absolutely! Nobody invited incorrectibles, it breaks wood!

Too long !

(/ Ah yes, it starts at 4:43. Before that, it was censored on a channel, then continued on GETTR )

Certainly, but by forcing a little everything is good.
We realize that he is a good man full of knowledge, experience, wisdom and accuracy.
The one we need to go in the right direction, the one we expect.

I would see him as Sage, or even Minister of State, to restore France to health after their debacle.
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by Janic » 20/01/22, 19:39

gegyx »20/01/22, 19:30
I would see him as Sage, or even Minister of State, to restore France to health after their debacle.
he made it clear that he was not interested!
Round Mac our BP sales representative should take a little trip to Japan
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