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Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by ABC2019 » 24/10/21, 12:05

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SixK wrote:At the start of your curve, we see 10 times more deaths than cases, in the middle of the curve it's 1 to 1 at the end it's 10 times less than cases.

Be careful, the scale of cases and deaths is not the same! Fortunately.....

yes Izzy did not scale the number of cases ... obviously it is not 1 death for a case.

At the beginning the low number of cases, it is like in France, it is because we tested only 10% of the patients. The 2nd peak is closer to reality. And at the end ... well apart from the protective influence of vaccines, I don't see any other explanation.
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by izentrop » 24/10/21, 13:23

ABC2019 wrote:
sicetaitsimple wrote:
SixK wrote:At the start of your curve, we see 10 times more deaths than cases, in the middle of the curve it's 1 to 1 at the end it's 10 times less than cases.
Be careful, the scale of cases and deaths is not the same! Fortunately.....
yes Izzy did not scale the number of cases ... obviously it is not 1 death for a case ..
It's clear, today for 2 deaths we have 695 cases / million https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co ... untry=~GBR
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by Robob » 24/10/21, 13:32

Taking the curves of cases, hospi or deaths, will give roughly the same result with a time lag. The big biases are the number of tests for the cases and the modification of the sensitivity of the PCR tests too: for example most of the biological labs of the hospitals of Ile de France have modified the threshold of their cycle (the famous CT ) only early 2021! (Source a neighbor who is a biologist at CH de Gonesse.)

For Deaths, the enormous bias is of course the inclusion of vax in all global stats 14 days after the second dose. This induces a colossal temporality bias in all the efficacy studies.

Do you want to know if the vaccine could have an effect, not on mortality, but directly by increasing covid cases? compares when the figures are available, the evolution of the number of positive cases in vaccinated 1 dose per 100 vaccinated 1 dose in the population, to novax and fullvax (also proportional). Do it in countries which massively vaccinate over short periods and provide figures (UK and Israel for example). If the vaccination has an impact then the positive cases of the 1 dose will temporarily increase significantly compared to the novax whereas it should decrease as the vaccine becomes effective. The comparison by age group vax and novax over these transition periods is also instructive.

But if you try to prove something, you will always succeed: what is interesting is to show either the wrong way or what he hides.
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by ABC2019 » 24/10/21, 17:48

robob wrote:Taking the curves of cases, hospi or deaths, will give roughly the same result with a time lag. The big biases are the number of tests for the cases and the modification of the sensitivity of the PCR tests too: for example most of the biological labs of the hospitals of Ile de France have modified the threshold of their cycle (the famous CT ) only early 2021! (Source a neighbor who is a biologist at CH de Gonesse.)

osf of the CT threshold. Whatever threshold you take, it will remain a marker for the circulation of the virus. The controversy is just over whether people with low viral loads are really contagious and should stay home or not, but it is a societal issue, not an epidemiological issue. When we decided to confine everyone the question was settled ...
We know anyway that only a small fraction of those infected risk dying. Increasing or decreasing the threshold varies the number of absolute cases but it is homothetic, the shape of the curves will be the same.

For Deaths, the enormous bias is of course the inclusion of vax in all global stats 14 days after the second dose. This induces a colossal temporality bias in all the efficacy studies.

not understood what you call a "temporality bias"

Do you want to know if the vaccine could have an effect, not on mortality, but directly by increasing covid cases? compares when the figures are available, the evolution of the number of positive cases in vaccinated 1 dose per 100 vaccinated 1 dose in the population, to novax and fullvax (also proportional). Do it in countries which massively vaccinate over short periods and provide figures (UK and Israel for example). If the vaccination has an impact then the positive cases of the 1 dose will temporarily increase significantly compared to the novax whereas it should decrease as the vaccine becomes effective. The comparison by age group vax and novax over these transition periods is also instructive.

there may be an "abandonment of barrier gestures" effect too soon after the first vaccination, but given that the probability of being contaminated during the first 15 days remains very low, that does not prevent having a largely positive final assessment at the end.
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by Robob » 25/10/21, 12:43

ABC2019 wrote:
robob wrote:For Deaths, the enormous bias is of course the inclusion of vax in all global stats 14 days after the second dose. This induces a colossal temporality bias in all the efficacy studies.

not understood what you call a "temporality bias"

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by ABC2019 » 25/10/21, 13:02

robob wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:
robob wrote:For Deaths, the enormous bias is of course the inclusion of vax in all global stats 14 days after the second dose. This induces a colossal temporality bias in all the efficacy studies.

not understood what you call a "temporality bias"


ah well yes obviously if you take averages on highly variable temporally situations, that can be biased.

Except that the current hospitalizations, they date for the most of less than a month, and for a month the proportion of vaccinated has hardly moved, so that should not be relevant now.
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by Janic » 28/10/21, 13:03

abcon
We know anyway that only a small fraction of those infected risk dying. Increasing or decreasing the threshold varies the number of absolute cases but it is homothetic, the shape of the curves will be the same.
ABCile has just discovered hot water! what a performance! : Cheesy:
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by izentrop » 02/11/21, 01:17

It's no longer a secret...
The risk of death from the COVID-19 vaccine is lower than in an unvaccinated group
Everyone knows that now, but it goes further
The CDC has published a study in the peer-reviewed Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report on October 22, 2021 that examined the risk of non-COVID mortality in a COVID-19 vaccine group compared to an unvaccinated group.
The risk of death from non-COVID causes was much higher in the unvaccinated group compared to the vaccinated group. https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skeptic ... ialnetwork
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 02/11/21, 01:26

Still scraping in the sewers, Izy?
The skeptical raptor is still a disgusting avatar of the misguided zetetic, kneeling blissfully in front of the misguided "science" ... as for the CDC, no but "allol", what!
Consider this:
https://www-truthwiki-org.translate.goo ... tr_pto=nui
CDC: https://www-truthwiki-org.translate.goo ... tr_pto=nui

Izy is in advanced decomposition!
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by Christophe » 02/11/21, 07:28

izentrop wrote:It's no longer a secret...
The risk of death from the COVID-19 vaccine is lower than in an unvaccinated group
Everyone knows that now, but it goes further


The cow is Perceval ???

Mazel Tov!!

So the vaccine protects against all other causes of death ???

Hallelujah !!

Izy's next post will be to find peers who have said through a few million corruption and other embezzlement that the covid vaccine protects against all cancers ... and soon that it gives eternal life!

InAllah!!
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