Functional economy (Special World Environment Day) - Pass-science

[eclectron]

Everyone talks about comfort as if it were obvious

The minimum for descent survival
For example a roof, cold water, hot water, not cold in winter, something to dress, something to eat healthy, something to communicate digitally, something to move around.

very great discomfort to live in an asocial society and in perpetual open competition ...

Who can and must disappear by removing the diktat of obligatory growth.

[sen-no-sen]

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As a reminder, democracy is the power of the people ... the problem is that in our time and in our techno-industrial societies, the people have become an imaginary category ...

This is by no means the problem. The problem is the operational form in which the people could exercise their power.
The current form, its representation by deputies, clearly has shortcomings.
But if I see a lot of clichés on the main principles on which however everyone agrees, I do not see any proposal for an alternative in operational terms.

What are you proposing in this case?

[eclectron]

The question of the power of vehicles is not fundamentally to be related to the ego (even if this tendency can play in the last instance). We could very well carry out experiments on rats and show that the latter would probably follow the same trend *, ego or not.

pleasure and ego are intimately linked. the ego selects what pleases and rejects what hurts.
To speak of striatum is not enough because the object of a pleasure is cultural, just as the ego is a cultural construct.
One will like bullfighting, the other will like to observe free animals in nature.

In reality, it is the structure in which behaviors are deployed that will determine our relationships.

Glad to hear you say it.
A societal framework based on other social values ​​than profitability (always more) can orient our behavior towards more virtue without man changing fundamentally.
We change programming, that's all. It becomes "natural" to be sober and unnatural to grow.

If so, it is the most energy-dissipating model that will be sought after. It is for this reason that the US has succeeded in imposing its own on much of the world.

the ego is behind the search for the maximization of pleasure since pleasure is cultural.
I do not like this formulation "it is the model dissipating the most energy that will be sought" it suggests that burning fuel is the biggest kif on Earth!
The search for maximum pleasure (and therefore the human first ... in a particular framework (culture) in which he lives) sometimes involves maximum energy consumption, seems to me to be a more correct formulation.

Work on the ego upsets all your logic
This reverses the order of the values.
Consuming as little energy as possible can be culturally seen as virtuous and satisfying the brain in terms of rewards.
the societal framework, education can reverse the way to take pleasure.
Always more less ! for example.

Not for sugar or cocaine, alas, which are not mental constructions but substances directly active on the brain.

[eclectron]

I do not see any proposal for an alternative in operational terms.

Digital voting from home ...

[eclectron]

Everyone talks about comfort as if it were obvious; material comfort dearly paid *, certainly, but very great discomfort of living in an asocial society and in perpetual open competition ...

False.
People who are too uncomfortable in their society emigrate.
I don't see French bobos emigrating en masse, nor anyone else.
Conclusion: Society is largely social and it is social enough for people to stay there.

A migrant has the right to choose the least worst. (Although he does not know what he is getting into, not everything is written on the advertising leaflet. )

A boo has the right not to be satisfied with the society in which he lives, to criticize it and to suggest improvements.

What says Ahmed is absolutely right.