Coronavirus, who or what and why? What origin?

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by Obamot » 11/07/20, 11:28

Yes ... Many say it, I heard it. In general they are discreet but there they go out of their reserve.
That's what I was trying to say.
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by VetusLignum » 12/07/20, 12:56

VetusLignum wrote:For those interested, you can read the (partial translations of) reports on the 6 miners who suffered from viral pneumonia in 2012 after working in the Tongguan mine (where RaTG13 was discovered). RaTG13 cannot infect humans, so what is this mysterious virus that infected these miners, with symptoms very similar to SARS-CoV-2? Could it be precisely the ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 (a less contagious version, since there was no epidemic), which the WIV would have concealed from us?
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... 2/download
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... 1/download

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... ruses.html
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 12/07/20, 15:21

Well then say this is exhumation: great job.

I do not know the who or the what but the why at a time when all Western economies were going into the wall, my faith, it allows to open wide the taps of central banks, Democrats and Chinese same fights.

A policy of full employment, preferably national, like that of Trump was also disappointing in his camps.

Purchases of hydroxychloroquine exploding in the beautiful districts of Paris at the start of the epidemic ...

A small planetary green sun with old people emanating from the environment.

To be continued...
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by VetusLignum » 13/07/20, 01:28

The official theory is that SARS-CoV-2 is derived from (or from an ancestor of) the bat virus RaTG13, which acquired its ability to infect humans by recombining with the pangolin pangolin virus -CoV-2020 (found in Guangdong in April 2019) which has the capacity to infect humans. The recombination would have occurred in a host which would have been infected simultaneously by the two viruses.

I have already posted studies questioning the authenticity of the RaTG13 genome; here are just a few that question the authenticity of the pangolin-CoV-2020 genome (with the capacity to infect humans).

On the one hand, this genome has only been seen once in pangolins, and therefore, its discovery has been insufficiently verified.
On the other hand, it is impossible that this virus, very suitable for humans, and poorly suited to pangolins, is a pangolin virus.

In fact, the most likely hypothesis is that there was, during the sequencing of pangolin viruses, contamination of the material by viruses adapted to primates (probably laboratory viruses, because such viruses are not known in nature).

This is all the more true since, if the pangolins had really been carriers of this virus, then the people who collected them should have been infected, and an epidemic should have started.

Based on our analysis, we emphasize that there has only been one confirmed source of pangolin CoVs with a Spike RBD nearly identical to that of SARS-CoV-2: pangolins confiscated from smugglers in Guangdong province in March, 2019.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 1.full.pdf
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200 ... CoV-2.aspx


neither the GD pangolin CoV RBD, nor the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 which is highly similar, produced a higher binding affinity to the pangolin ACE2 receptor than to the human ACE2 receptor, and both binds the Human ACE2 receptor with the highest affinity across all 3 animal species (Human, Civet, Pangolin) examined.
This fact argues strongly against the RBD residues of the GD pangolin CoV being evolved in pangolins, and instead favoring the RBD and the virus being the result of a passage experiment of a possible virus of pangolin origin (The GX / P2V virus was isolated and passaged in VERO E6 cells during its collection in 2017) in Primate-derived cell lines.
https://zenodo.org/record/3885333#.Xws_D-co_IX
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by VetusLignum » 13/07/20, 01:57

VetusLignum wrote:
VetusLignum wrote:For those interested, you can read the (partial translations of) reports on the 6 miners who suffered from viral pneumonia in 2012 after working in the Tongguan mine (where RaTG13 was discovered). RaTG13 cannot infect humans, so what is this mysterious virus that infected these miners, with symptoms very similar to SARS-CoV-2? Could it be precisely the ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 (a less contagious version, since there was no epidemic), which the WIV would have concealed from us?
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... 2/download
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... 1/download

More complete translation:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... ruses.html

These miners are believed to have died of an unknown SARS.
While the cause of their deaths was linked to fungus found in the cellar, tests carried out on four of the men found they all had antibodies against an unknown Sars-like coronavirus.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 01951.html
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by Obamot » 13/07/20, 09:52

On the other hand, minors have their bronchial tubes particularly exposed because of their job. Which makes them 'ideal' candidates!

VetusLignum wrote:The official theory is that [...] SARS-CoV-2 is derived from (or an ancestor of) the bat virus RaTG13, which acquired its ability to infect humans by recombining with the pangolin virus pangolin-CoV-2020 (found in Guangdong in April 2019) which has the capacity to infect humans. The recombination would have occurred in a host which would have been infected simultaneously with the two viruses.

The official theory - which was only a hypothesis, which is not at all the same - was presented as a "theory" thanks to the phylogenetic tree (which has always been partially false and incomplete ... And of which the goal was to condemn China ex nihilo in order to impose draconian sanctions - since at the time just like today, NO ONE in scientific circles can prove where this virus comes from, which decidedly has: “Fairly new characteristics for a natural virus“
If I were an investigator the simple peremptory accusation of the USA (followed by the international community) would already be highly suspect.The fact of wanting to punish her without clearly proven reason, is even more so (the doubt to benefit the accused. https://www.ledroit.com/actualites/monde/covid-19-trump-necarte-pas-de-demander-des-reparations-a-la-chine-dae2190f8bab690d2b351b833e1dd99e It should be remembered that many characteristic signs of covid-19 were observed in the USA from June to October 2019, that these facts were denied and then admitted by the CDC-USA, to then classify the case militarily! This gives a bundle of relevant clues and a direct link to the possible author of the facts. That would be sufficient for a court, but it would always lack the proof of the origin which one does not have or which is possibly hidden.


VetusLignum wrote:I have already posted studies questioning the authenticity of the RaTG13 genome; here are just a few that question the authenticity of the pangolin-CoV-2020 genome (with the capacity to infect humans).

On the one hand, this genome has only been seen once in pangolins, and therefore, its discovery has been insufficiently verified.
On the other hand, it is impossible that this virus, very suitable for humans, and poorly suited to pangolins, is a pangolin virus.

In fact, the most likely hypothesis is that there was, during the sequencing of pangolin viruses, contamination of the material by viruses adapted to primates (probably laboratory viruses, because such viruses are not known in nature).

This is all the more true since, if the pangolins had really been carriers of this virus, then the people who collected them should have been infected, and an epidemic should have started.

Based on our analysis, we emphasize that there has only been one confirmed source of pangolin CoVs with a Spike RBD nearly identical to that of SARS-CoV-2: pangolins confiscated from smugglers in Guangdong province in March, 2019.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 1.full.pdf
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200 ... CoV-2.aspx


neither the GD pangolin CoV RBD, nor the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 which is highly similar, produced a higher binding affinity to the pangolin ACE2 receptor than to the human ACE2 receptor, and both binds the Human ACE2 receptor with the highest affinity across all 3 animal species (Human, Civet, Pangolin) examined.
This fact argues strongly against the RBD residues of the GD pangolin CoV being evolved in pangolins, and instead favoring the RBD and the virus being the result of a passage experiment of a possible virus of pangolin origin (The GX / P2V virus was isolated and passaged in VERO E6 cells during its collection in 2017) in Primate-derived cell lines.
https://zenodo.org/record/3885333#.Xws_D-co_IX

I do not even imagine that someone would confess ... We still do not know the truth for 9/11 (well yes, we know that the USA was behind Al Qaeda at least until 2019 ... : Evil: even by senators ... we even know it by confessions by senators ...)
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by Christophe » 14/07/20, 19:46

Houla ... a death of the Bubonic Plague in Mongolia ...

Teenager dies of plague in Mongolia

A teenager died of bubonic plague in Mongolia after hunting and eating a groundhog, health officials in the country who recently recorded a series of cases of the disease said on Tuesday, as did neighboring China.


I don't know if we would have heard about it without the corona ...

https://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/un-a ... e-20200714
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by izentrop » 15/07/20, 14:02

Yersinia pestis, still rife, even in the states https://www.maxisciences.com/peste/pest ... 40965.html
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by VetusLignum » 22/07/20, 14:15

A new theory on the origin of SARS-CoV-2, very well supported, especially since it reconstructs almost all the pieces of the puzzle.
1) The minors were infected with RaTG13 (or a similar virus, and perhaps by other VOCs simultaneously)
2) The RaTG13 virus has mutated to SARS-CoV-2 in their lungs (or in the lung of one of them)
3) At the end of 2019, an employee of the WIV was infected with this virus and initiated its circulation

A must read: https://www.independentsciencenews.org/ ... -pandemic/

One of the weaknesses of this thesis is that, in this case, we would not have expected the epidemic to start from the hospital where these minors were being treated. The authors answer that the doctors at the hospital understood the risk of a pandemic, and took all the precautions.
Another weakness is that some researchers find it hard to believe that the RaTG13 virus could have evolved into SARS-CoV-2 in just a few weeks, even in a human's lungs (although some of the miners were sick for several months. ).
But we cannot exclude that the WIV carried out additional manipulations on the viruses taken from minors.
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 22/07/20, 14:44

VetusLignum wrote:A new theory on the origin of SARS-CoV-2, very well supported, especially since it reconstructs almost all the pieces of the puzzle.
1) The minors were infected with RaTG13 (or a similar virus, and perhaps by other VOCs simultaneously)
2) The RaTG13 virus has mutated to SARS-CoV-2 in their lungs (or in the lung of one of them)
3) At the end of 2019, an employee of the WIV was infected with this virus and initiated its circulation

A must read: https://www.independentsciencenews.org/ ... -pandemic/

One of the weaknesses of this thesis is that, in this case, we would not have expected the epidemic to start from the hospital where these minors were being treated. The authors answer that the doctors at the hospital understood the risk of a pandemic, and took all the precautions.
Another weakness is that some researchers find it hard to believe that the RaTG13 virus could have evolved into SARS-CoV-2 in just a few weeks, even in a human's lungs (although some of the miners were sick for several months. ).
But we cannot exclude that the WIV carried out additional manipulations on the viruses taken from minors.


Tracing the trail of the Covid will be the detective drama of the decade I think ....

Hope we know the end of the story one day
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