Wind power: for or against the wind?

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Re: Wind: for or against the wind?




by Eric DUPONT » 15/02/20, 20:40

especially when there is no concrete
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by GuyGadebois » 15/02/20, 21:24

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Re: Wind: for or against the wind?




by moinsdewatt » 15/02/20, 23:07

Ostwind builds a 75 million euro wind farm in Haute-Vienne

CORINNE MÉRIGAUD New Factory 14/02/2020

Fifteen years after the start of the project, the developer Ostwind started work on the Basse-Marche wind farm, estimated at 75 million euros. It will be deployed in seven municipalities in the north of Haute-Vienne, i.e. five parks spread over four sites.

The works of the Basse-Marche wind farm in progress by Ostwind are valued at 75 million euros to build twenty-four wind turbines with a unit power of 2,2 MW with a mast height of 90 meters and 145 meters at the end of the blade.


https://www.usinenouvelle.com/article/o ... ne.N930004
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Re: Wind: for or against the wind?




by Exnihiloest » 25/02/20, 18:08

Emmanuelle Wargon is lying to us. Wind power produces electricity at a competitive price, she says on a news channel, and it's even cheaper than producing nuclear reactors.

It’s incorrect. In 2019 the cost of producing onshore wind power was € 82 / MWh. EDF continues to be required to resell nuclear MWh at € 42 / MWh. Find the mistake.
For offshore wind, we only have estimates based on tenders: 180 € / MWh.

Additional point: the wind produced according to the weather. It produces insufficiently 78% of the time. It is therefore at the wrong time that it produces most often. This results in Germany, as soon as wind production is high, by selling electricity at a loss. In France, the priority of access given to wind power helps to reduce the profitability of other generation modes and to maintain thermal capacity (mainly gas) to smooth out fluctuations in wind power production.

If wind power has reached maturity to the point of having become competitive, why continue to give it priority of access to the electricity network?
And why continue to punctuate the consumer via the CSPE (see your electricity bill)?
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Re: Wind: for or against the wind?




by sicetaitsimple » 25/02/20, 18:28

Exnihiloest wrote:It’s incorrect. In 2019 the cost of producing onshore wind power was € 82 / MWh. EDF continues to be required to resell nuclear MWh at € 42 / MWh. Find the mistake.


The main mistake comes from the fact that you compare two things that are not comparable, new wind power and existing nuclear power built in the 80s and 2000s.

Compare new wind to new nuclear, already it will be more correct. Even if it is, but it's a slightly different question, it doesn't really do the same service.
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by Eric DUPONT » 25/02/20, 20:54

I would even say more, that nuclear produces energy even when we do not need it and that we do not know what to do with it and that if we had to "control" the production it would be even more expensive. When EDF gives 70 euros per MW for the future EPR, it goes without saying for unmanned, continuous production. with errors on the cost of storage, dismantling, and side effects that we know ... more or less (with nuclear power we are never safe from surprises) While on the other hand when the announced price of MW offshore would be 50 euros? we no longer believe in it and it will be in 5 years and not 15. In fifteen years the wind MW will probably be under 40 euros with load factors in my opinion which will increase as we make larger masts or as the wind turbines take off.

The end of nuclear power for ecological reasons is a big masquerade, not to say that nuclear power is simply not competitive and that it is not economically viable.
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Re: Wind: for or against the wind?




by sicetaitsimple » 25/02/20, 21:22

Eric Dupont wrote:I would even say more, that nuclear produces energy even when we do not need it and that we do not know what to do with it and that if we had to "control" the production it would be even more expensive.


Aside from the fact that this is a silly assertion, I'm still a little surprised! A bit of slack? Is the storage of liquid nitrogen no longer the solution to all of the more or less fatal excess electricity production?
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Re: Wind: for or against the wind?




by GuyGadebois » 25/02/20, 21:24

And wind turbines with liquid nitrogen assistance to run the bazaar when there is no wind?
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Re: Wind: for or against the wind?




by Eric DUPONT » 26/02/20, 09:18

sicetaitsimple wrote:
Eric Dupont wrote:I would even say more, that nuclear produces energy even when we do not need it and that we do not know what to do with it and that if we had to "control" the production it would be even more expensive.


Aside from the fact that this is a silly assertion, I'm still a little surprised! A bit of slack? Is the storage of liquid nitrogen no longer the solution to all of the more or less fatal excess electricity production?


why silly, ... on the contrary if a future EPR produces energy at 70 euros per MWH than if it is fully charged it will produce for 100 euros the MWH if we make it work 70% of the time when we have it need. compare to the wind which would only produce 40% of the time for 40 euros per MWh in both cases we need to store.
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Re: Wind: for or against the wind?




by moinsdewatt » 04/03/20, 23:36

Map of the establishment of wind power in France as of June 30, 2019

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