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by Grelinette » 07/09/19, 11:10

GuyGadebois wrote:https://www.sauvonslaforet.org/petitions/1182/mobilite-il-faut-moins-de-voitures?mtu=438251626&t=5650

I went through the article, it is interesting. He cruelly reminds us that behind the new technologies there are poor populations who suffer to extract the necessary materials, children who are exploited to reduce costs, regions and ravaged forests to make way for mining mines.

This is a recurrent observation: for the comfort of some, the others sacrifice their health, their families and their country.

That said, to conclude that the number of cars must be reduced and that the electric car is not the solution is a half-false (or half-right) conclusion.

Admittedly there are too many cars, they pollute and imply the drifts described in the article, but today whatever the technical solution implemented to replace the all car, the politico-economic mechanisms will build on one side in destroying the other: even if we replace cars with bikes (not even electric), the construction of these bikes would cause the same deadly drifts among poor neighbors in rich countries.

It is the same with:
- food: bio-sacking of regions,
- clothing: the textile industry pollutes and exploits populations,
- waste treatment: the earth is cleaned on one side to make it more dirty on the other,
- ... etc. (soon, to reduce global warming, we will make ice in poor countries ...)

The whole system needs to be reviewed!

It is more the implementation of the solutions that poses a problem than the solutions itself!
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by Grelinette » 07/09/19, 11:48

bardal wrote:
Janic wrote:
... but none seems to have really asked the question of the supply of all this electricity when everyone will pull on their meter at the same time, it will be a beautiful bazaar!

Uh, yes! Many people have thought about this question ... The very official RTE has even split a very complete report on the capacity of the French network to accommodate a few million EVs ... with a reassuring answer, moreover.

This is also the meaning of Sarkozy's mockery on August 29 at the Medef summer university about Nicot Hulot who had given himself 10 years to have only electric cars and shut down half of the nuclear power plants! ...
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by Ahmed » 07/09/19, 12:50

Grelinette, this sentence is logically wobbly:
... and involve the drifts ...

Formally, drifts are accidental, whereas the verb "to implicate" indicates a necessity ...
On the bottom, however, you have well analyzed the extractivist character of the system.
The possible generalization of bikes in place of cars, without modifying the functional logic *, nevertheless changes the scale and it is not trivial.

* The bicycle is one of the first industrial products. Although it has evolved significantly, it also embodies great structural continuity.
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by moinsdewatt » 21/09/19, 09:29

Huge :

Daimler stops developing internal combustion engines to focus on electric cars

Fred Lambert - Sep. 19th 2019 Elektrek

After reigning in the auto industry as the powertrain of choice for a century, the internal combustion engine is finally dying.

Now even Daimler says that it is stopping development of new internal combustion engines to focus on electric cars.

The German automaker whose namesake, Gottlieb Daimler, is credited for having invented the prototype of the modern gasoline engine recently released its latest generation internal combustion engine and it might be its last.

According to German magazine Auto Motor und Sport, Daimler development chief Markus Schaefer said that they currently have no plans to develop a next-generation combustion engine and they are focusing on new electric powertrains.

While they will not invest in the development of new combustion engines, Schaefer reportedly noted that they still might work on some specific parts to improve on their existing engines.

In recent years, there have been signs that internal combustion engines were reaching their limits.

It became increasingly clear when the entire industry was caught cheating to make it look like their diesel engines were actually more efficient and less polluting than they actually were.

Furthermore, generations of combustion engines have long development timelines and there are other factors that may make the investment worthless.

For example, several countries are implementing or announcing their intentions to ban the sale of new gasoline and diesel-powered vehicles by 2040.

This is pushing automakers like VW and now Daimler, to rethink their longterm strategy for investing in powertrain development.

Daimler has previously announced plans for Mercedes-Benz and smart cars to offer electric versions of all car models by 2022.

However, they still believe that a majority of their vehicles will still have an internal combustion engine at that time.

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We have been saying it for a while now, but the internal combustion engine is dying in the auto industry and it's only about how fast.

Good for Daimler to recognize what is happening and adjusting their investments in R&D.

However, the most important thing for legacy automakers at this time is to adjust their production investments and accelerate their conversion from internal combustion vehicle production to electric vehicle production.

That's what they need to do rapidly and in high volume in order to reduce the cost of electric vehicles and be prepared to supply the demand at the tipping point for EVs, which again I believe is happening within the next 5 years.



https://electrek.co/2019/09/19/daimler- ... tric-cars/

This will be more effective in concrete terms than the media unrest surrounding Greta Thunberg.
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by Ahmed » 21/09/19, 09:46

... however, the two phenomena are linked!
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by GuyGadebois » 21/09/19, 21:52

Long live the electric for Westerners, it is not the same for the lithium producing countries, especially for the natives near the extraction basins for which it is hell.
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by moinsdewatt » 21/09/19, 22:37

GuyGadebois wrote:Long live the electric for Westerners, it is not the same for the countries producing lithium, especially for the natives near the extraction basins for which it is hell.


Ah?
Do you have an example?
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by GuyGadebois » 22/09/19, 00:37

I already talked about it here, the links are available. Displaced populations, emptied water tables, exploding cancers, dying animals, economic wars between countries ... The electric car is the same problem as the car with an internal combustion engine.
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/replay-jt/f ... 12849.html
https://reporterre.net/Corruption-pollu ... -Argentine
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/11 ... abrication
https://www.letemps.ch/societe/ecologiq ... electrique
https://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/a ... -au-190131
http://altermonde-sans-frontiere.com/sp ... ticle20724
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by Janic » 22/09/19, 10:22

especially for the natives near the extraction basins for which it is hell.
hell paved with good intentions towards us! : Cheesy:
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