End of the Euro area by 5 years after Nouriel Roubini

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Re: End of the Euro zone by 5 years after Nouriel Roubini




by sen-no-sen » 12/05/19, 21:46

sicetaitsimple wrote:<.... the same citizens demanding at the same time less taxes, less taxes, .... We are just collectively (not individually) spoiled children.


In the consumer race, paradoxes are king.
To consume more is to devote greater sums without ceasing to new expenses, which necessarily induces a search for lower production costs per unit to satisfy new desires.
Have thus fostered competition between economic players who in turn use conventional liberal recipes to guarantee advantageous tariffs. The concern is that such practices are necessarily harmful in the long term and go against the general interest. *.
Offshoring, for example, makes it possible to lower prices but has the unfortunate consequence of producing massive redundancies and their lots of long-term unemployed people who must be subsidized by puncturing workers ... all of this therefore encourages workers as well as the unemployed to look for the most economically advantageous products to overcome their situation ... which only aggravates the phenomenon!
The economic system therefore has a natural tendency to produce mentalities of the schizoid type.

* Dichotomy between micro and macroeconomic interests.
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by sicetaitsimple » 12/05/19, 22:03

I follow you, you are certainly right, but I do not really see the connection with what I was saying about the demand for "more state intervention .." and at the same time the "less taxes and taxes ".
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by sen-no-sen » 12/05/19, 22:31

sicetaitsimple wrote:I follow you, you are certainly right, but I do not really see the connection with what I was saying about the demand for "more protection, public services, ..." and at the same time the "less taxes and of taxes ".


Well it's simple, people tend to forget that their civic requirements are not in step with their consumer trends.
The higher taxes are not voted for pleasure, but generally to correct societal issues.
As I noted upstream, the drop in production costs is a boon on an individual scale, but rather a disaster on a national scale.
More unemployed is more puncture on the cost of work and therefore even less competitiveness which increases the tendency to dumping and relocation.
Except in the context of the globalization of trade and the precariousness induced by the high level of predation of economic actors, citizens ask their elected officials for more protections, more public services, even though their consumption trends tend to favor the reverse.
Hence this paradoxical desire to want more on one side without paying on the other ...
What is even more distressing is the behavior of the executive who seem to feign a strong power on one side while gradually giving up all means of action to private entities ... we will only remember the excellent acting! : roll:
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by sicetaitsimple » 12/05/19, 22:40

sen-no-sen wrote:Hence this paradoxical desire to want more on one side without paying on the other ...

There, we agree.
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by A.D. 44 » 14/05/19, 07:14

sen-no-sen wrote:Well it's simple, people tend to forget that their civic requirements are not in step with their consumer trends.
The higher taxes are not voted for pleasure, but generally to correct societal issues.
As I noted upstream, the drop in production costs is a boon on an individual scale, but rather a disaster on a national scale.
More unemployed is more puncture on the cost of work and therefore even less competitiveness which increases the tendency to dumping and relocation.
Except in the context of the globalization of trade and the precariousness induced by the high level of predation of economic actors, citizens ask their elected officials for more protections, more public services, even though their consumption trends tend to favor the reverse.
Hence this paradoxical desire to want more on one side without paying on the other ...
What is even more distressing is the behavior of the executive who seem to feign a strong power on one side while gradually giving up all means of action to private entities ... we will only remember the excellent acting! : roll:


Yes.

The consumer has become the enemy of the citizen ... his predator.
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by Janic » 14/05/19, 08:05

Yes.

The consumer has become the enemy of the citizen ... his predator.
in a way: yes it is called biting the tail. In other words when two snakes fight, neither of them bites the tail within reach because it could bite his own and it is its end announced, a kind of suicide because once its tail bitten it can not walk back and so he is doomed to devour himself or starve. This is what is happening in our consuming societies which are self-absorbing. This shows that humans are much more stupid than snakes !.
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by moinsdewatt » 02/01/22, 23:54

The euro zone is still there and the Euro is celebrating its 20th anniversary. : Mrgreen:

The euro is 20 years old

AFP • 01 / 01 / 2022

Twenty years ago to the day, ATMs were spitting out the first euro banknotes, an arrival that excited as much as it worried. Twenty years later, the euro has succeeded, not without difficulty, by imposing itself in the practices of 20 million Europeans.

Imagined in the 1970s as an instrument of integration, aspiring to facilitate commercial transactions and compete with the dollar, the euro entered physical commerce on January 1, 2002, forcing the inhabitants of the twelve countries initially members of the union to abandon their national currency.

If the Germans had to give up their beloved Deutschmark for a new currency with a simple conversion rate of 2, others like the French or the Italians had to get used to more complex multiplications.

Helped by plastic converter cards - since relegated to the rank of antiques - the French have thus exchanged their last francs for blazing euros, whose 1 or 2 cent coins were already intriguing.

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Gone are the familiar figures that adorned banknotes of francs, deutschemark or even pesetas. To suit everyone, the common currency has, on its seven banknotes, Romanesque or Gothic arches or even modern architectural elements, representing the different eras of European history; a "makeover" project is currently underway.

Since 2002, seven other European countries have adopted the euro (Cyprus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia and Malta). And Bulgaria, Croatia and Romania, members of the European Union, should join the club in the coming years.

A passage that is not unanimous among the populations, who fear a rise in prices. A fear fueled by the impression, still tenacious in the 19 countries of the zone, of having lost purchasing power, although statistics show on the contrary that the common currency has made it possible to stabilize inflation.

Some everyday, inexpensive products, such as counter coffee, did increase with the scale, due to top rounding. But other more expensive products have not increased or even fallen. And in the end, inflation has remained moderate. For example, if the average price of a baguette in France rose from 4,30 francs (or 0,66 euros) in 2001 to around 90 centimes twenty years later, this increase remains in line with that recorded before the changeover. 'euro, explained in 2017 Insee, the French statistics institute.

- Debt crisis -

The euro has slipped into the second most secure currencies, behind the dollar. It now constitutes 20% of the world's foreign exchange reserves (compared to 60% for the dollar). So much so that politicians like Marine Le Pen or Matteo Salvini, who for a time promoted an exit from the euro, have since renounced it.

Because these twenty years have not been a long quiet river. Less than ten years after its launch, the euro is hit hard by a serious financial crisis, with Greece at the epicenter.

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Graph showing the evolution of the price of a euro in dollars since the entry into circulation of the euro cash on January 1, 2002 (AFP /)

National banks are retreating behind their state borders. The European Central Bank falters, but manages to turn around. In Greece, the banks are closing temporarily, withdrawals are limited, a forced cure of austerity is initiated ... Even the animals of Greek zoos are put on a diet.

Member States and institutions realized on this occasion "that the architecture of the euro was not originally designed to absorb the seismic shock of the global financial crisis", remember several finance ministers and members of the the European Commission in a column published on Saturday.

But these pitfalls and these "early crises have enabled the euro to mature and strengthen its international role" by offering "valuable lessons which have proved useful during the current pandemic", they assure.

To continue to expand its influence, the euro now dreams of realizing its geopolitical ambitions and securing its future in the digital arena.

In 2021, the European Central Bank initiated discussions on the creation of a digital euro, backed by the euro and certified by the European monetary institution. History of competing with bitcoin, after having run for two decades behind the dollar.


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by Exnihiloest » 03/01/22, 21:49

Christophe wrote:
21/06/11, 10:21

ALARMIST - Economist Nouriel Roubini plans end of euro zone in five years (FT)

Nouriel Roubini is one of the (rare) economists to have predicted the global economic and financial crisis of 2008. Since this fact of arms, his positions are particularly listened. The last of them, expressed Monday in the Financial Times, is enough to thrill decision makers in the euro area.
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"Euro zone decision-makers" are surely not so naive that they would have "shuddered" : Lol:
They know it, the economist remains this "expert who will know how to explain to you tomorrow why what he planned yesterday did not happen today"

Christophe, any news? Did Nouriel Roubini explain his crash?
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 03/01/22, 21:56

More noise!
If you could spare us your introspections ...
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by Exnihiloest » 04/01/22, 18:24

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:More noise!
If you could spare us your introspections ...


Learn the meaning of words. It is always necessary that the uneducated make inappropriate remarks and speak without saying anything.

No insight into what was written:

"Euro zone decision-makers" are surely not so naive that they would have "shuddered" : Lol:
They know it, the economist remains this "expert who will know how to explain to you tomorrow why what he planned yesterday did not happen today"

Christophe, any news? Did Nouriel Roubini explain his crash?
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