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by Janic » 21/01/19, 14:54

you really have trouble with the second degree and with irony
What do you want we can not be good at all! For proof: you
, on the other hand in the cutting of text and the exit of context you are champion, *
Thank you the compliment touches me, really! Yes Yes !
For cutting, assuming you have passed the stage of kindergarten, the answer point by point avoids confusion between each party and when the context, it is not your strong it seems!
it is true that we can not be good everywhere, and that the theology studies do not help for the second degree (in the humor not in the studies, I think that you still have to go beyond the college level)
On the theology side, confusing Hinduism and Indian, it is rather light! As for humor in theology, you should already know the subject before talking ... like for vaccines!

now past the flow of flowers and mutual amiability let's move on to the most serious.
in your list you forget the dead in miners, and yet the coal mines still exist, (among others) after as I say it's easy to criticize this or that old product with hindsight and current knowledge
You see, you already understand the comparisons better. Indeed it is easier to judge the value of things with hindsight. But it's also interesting to know that whistleblowers are not modern novelties, every time, every era has had its own. [*]
the difference with, before and now is that science has evolved, we know much better anticipate,
Yes and no! Science (as if it were reducible to some technical means only) know (meaning of the word science!) More things in its details, but overall it remains a great mystery difficult to decipher to its possible limits and the shortcoming of research is that the more one's field of knowledge increases, the more specialists are needed who end up losing an overview.
but I know that you do not believe it for fear of science
Science (in my field) was my job and that does not scare me in itself, except that the human has a short view and it gives more importance to an immediate result (visible, controllable, verifiable, etc. ...) that its effects on the long term, since it has and can not have a sufficient retreat on its actions (pollutions of all kinds!)
and the decision to ban glyphosate in France is purely political, I hope you are aware of it or you are really naive (after the decline on the ecological transition of the government, it was necessary to make a gesture towards the eco in anticipation European elections, I will tell you in case)
No, the prohibition of glyphosate is not that political since the government wanted to reduce to 3 years (political act there) whereas the justice is independent of the executive and it has decided its prohibition pure and simple, by precautionary principle. So if he is a naive, I doubt it is me!
In other words, I have deliberately talked about Hindu and non-Indian scientists, because we must not forget that India is a country where religion still exercises a very important power, so a certain independence or dependence of mind will know. ..
Religions in India are characterized by a diversity of practices and times. The country is the birthplace of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism and has long been home to Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Zoroastrianism.
India is not the only country under religious influence, such as our Western countries, but to suspect that Indian scientists are influenced by any religion is also to suspect that it is the same for us. But your boyfriends recommend the idea that a scientist must leave his beliefs at the doors of laboratories or design offices to do their job, it is obvious, but so far they can not let their conscience of good as the wrong in what he does, in the cloakroom.

[*] Thus, from his first attempts, Pasteur went astray in his claims to overcome rabies. Successive failures are recorded in SES own documents and they are proven by statistical results showing a blatant increase in rabies deaths after his vaccines and this has been denounced by some of his contemporaries " Pastor does not cure rabies, he gives it But more than a scientist, he was opportunistic and close to power enough for politics to support (financially) his work
So nothing new under the sun: politics, personal interests, business have always been good at supporting what will end in disaster.
Glyphosate, I repeat, is not important in itself, it's just the tip of the iceberg of agrochemistry which destroys the living without knowing the effects on the long term, provided that everyone finds FINANCIEREMENT his account. The farmer because it does not cost him much, the industrialist because it brings him a lot of money.
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by Moindreffor » 21/01/19, 18:43

Janic wrote:Science (in my field) was my job and that does not scare me in itself, except that the human has a short view and it gives more importance to an immediate result (visible, controllable, verifiable, etc. ...) that its effects on the long term, since it has and can not have a sufficient retreat on its actions (pollutions of all kinds!

you can specify me the scientific field which is yours, thank you
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by Moindreffor » 21/01/19, 18:49

Janic wrote:No, the prohibition of glyphosate is not that political since the government wanted to reduce to 3 years (political act there) whereas the justice is independent of the executive and it has decided its prohibition pure and simple, by precautionary principle. So if he is a naive, I doubt it is me!

the famous precautionary principle, the independence of justice, is like condemning a man on mere suspicions as a precaution, and you speak of justice ...
the government is asking 3 years and justice forbidden, and you do not see the maneuver, the government does not ask the ban to give credibility on the side of agriculture and it's not his fault but the one of Justice...
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by Moindreffor » 21/01/19, 18:54

Janic wrote:[*] Thus, fromhis first testsPasteur went astray in his pretensions of overcoming rage. Successive failures are recorded in SES own documents and they are proven by statistical results showing a blatant increase in rabies deaths after his vaccines and this has been denounced by some of his contemporaries " Pastor does not cure rabies, he gives it But more than a scientist, he was opportunistic and close to power enough for politics to support (financially) his work
So nothing new under the sun: politics, personal interests, business have always been good at supporting what will end in disaster.
Glyphosate, I repeat, is not important in itself, it's just the tip of the iceberg of agrochemistry which destroys the living without knowing the effects on the long term, provided that everyone finds FINANCIEREMENT his account. The farmer because it does not cost him much, the industrialist because it brings him a lot of money.

whether it is thanks to Pasteur or Pierre Paul or Jacques that it does not matter, what matters is the result

can you tell me where is the rage in our country? in hindsight and past the first failures, have there been some successes?
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by Janic » 22/01/19, 08:35

janic wrote: No, the prohibition of glyphosate is not that political since the government wanted to reduce to 3 years (political act there) whereas the justice is independent of the executive and it has decided its prohibition pure and simple , as a precautionary principle. So if he is a naive, I doubt it is me!
the famous precautionary principle, the independence of justice, is like condemning a man on mere suspicions as a precaution, and you speak of justice ...
We do not know better now, not for a first offender, but for repeat offenders, which is the case of Monsanto worldwide. This is also the case, currently, police files on mere suspicions of belonging to suspect groups and despite this he passes terrorists between the mails of the net. So, according to you, we have to let go until the next attack or aggression, hand in the bag?
the government is asking 3 years and justice forbidden, and you do not see the maneuver, the government does not ask the ban to give credibility on the side of agriculture and it's not his fault but the one of Justice...
Indeed it can be a maneuver, in this sense, while taking into account that this same type of maneuver takes place in the other direction by the lobbies of agrochemistry. But overall, justice is and remains independent and the shenanigans of governments have, theoretically, no effect on justice (not a single man who would decide, but the entire judiciary)
while it is thanks to Pasteur or to Pierre Paul or Jacques it does not matter,
On the contrary ! Pasteur is, in large part, the promoter of these vaccinations around the world and we have a sufficient distance to notice its total failure. Missed from the beginning, with Jenner as much as Pasteur; missed then!
This is understandable because, at present, the case Pasteur with only one success (supposed) to have saved a child suffering from rabies (although no sign of it was detected there) would not pass the various stages for the approval of a drug technique because a single case has no recognized therapeutic value. So, whether it is an error or a lie, being spread all over the world by fake news, does not turn this failure into success, even to reassure people in the terror of disease.
What matters is the result
Exactly ! Slowly you end up recognizing that it is neither the dogmas nor the assumptions that matter but the results. So, once again: what are these, proofs in hand ? Nothing, because no vaccination has ever proven its effectiveness, but its dangerousness: yes!
can you tell me where is the rage in our country? in hindsight and past the first failures, have there been some successes?
There are statistical figures that give information, not only in France, but all over the world and in all countries at the level of sufficient hygiene, rabies disappeared in the same way vaccine or not, by actions targeted at foxes (mainly) the most common carriers ofONE of the 16 rabies viruses(Here we find the same measures of isolation as for smallpox!) And again the most effective means in case of bite (rabies or not) is the washing of wounds. Hygiene again, hygiene always and everywhere!
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by Moindreffor » 22/01/19, 09:20

Janic wrote: We do not know better now, not for a first offender, but for repeat offenders, which is the case of Monsanto worldwide. This is also the case, currently, police files on mere suspicions of belonging to suspect groups and despite this he passes terrorists between the mails of the net. So, according to you, we have to let go until the next attack or aggression, hand in the bag?

between fiddling with people and condemning them there is a big gap, right? so do not mix everything up again

you did not answer me about your level of scientific study, it's not good to zap questions like that : Evil:
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by Moindreffor » 22/01/19, 09:32

Janic wrote:] There are statistical figures that give information, not only in France, but in the whole world and in all countries at the level of sufficient hygiene, rabies disappeared in the same way vaccine or not, by targeted actions on foxes (mainly) the most common carriers ofONE of the 16 rabies viruses(Here we find the same measures of isolation as for smallpox!) And again the most effective means in case of bite (rabies or not) is the washing of wounds. Hygiene again, hygiene always and everywhere!

targeted actions as you say about foxes have been massive vaccination campaigns of these animals, there is now a growing population of this rabies-free animal, so tell me what other targeted actions other than fox vaccination has allowed the disappearance of this disease in nature?

hygiene measures concern humans, it does not play much on the spread of rabies in the animal world ... so again, you mix two things without direct links what is the interest ...
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by Janic » 22/01/19, 10:51

targeted actions as you say about foxes have been massive vaccination campaigns of these animals, there is now a growing population of this rabies-free animal, so tell me what other targeted actions other than fox vaccination has allowed the disappearance of this disease in nature?
On the one hand there is not disappearance of rabies, but of rabies having for vector Fox and he alone.
for example, Canada does not have the fox as its main vector, but the raccoon and eradication campaigns are not only targeted at vaccination, although it plays a special role, but its effectiveness is limited in time (approx 5 years). However, there are no more intensive vaccination campaigns every 5 for foxes and other vectors of these viruses in France such as non-domestic canids and bats, while rabies continues to exist.
This can be compared to the eradication of smallpox, which has not been done by vaccines, but by isolation measures as well.
hygiene measures concern humans, it does not play much on the spread of rabies in the animal world ... so again, you mix two things without direct links what is the interest ...
It's simple ! If hygienic measures are sufficient in themselves to avoid infection, it does not matter then that the sources of contamination are varied because the contamination is made more often by contact than by bites.
Then the current fox slaughtering campaigns, in France, are of the order of 500.000 to 1 million (depending on sources) per year, which drastically reduces the possibilities of propagation. This, moreover, favors the spread of Lyme disease by killing the main predators of tick carriers.
Thus, during campaigns of poisoning foxes, it was found that every fox killed, he was replaced by another fox rabid came to occupy the territory left vacant and rabies progressed according to the animals killed.
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by Moindreffor » 22/01/19, 13:08

Janic wrote:
targeted actions as you say about foxes have been massive vaccination campaigns of these animals, there is now a growing population of this rabies-free animal, so tell me what other targeted actions other than fox vaccination has allowed the disappearance of this disease in nature?
On the one hand there is not disappearance of rabies, but of rabies having for vector Fox and he alone.
for example, Canada does not have the fox as its main vector, but the raccoon and eradication campaigns are not only targeted at vaccination, although it plays a special role, but its effectiveness is limited in time (approx 5 years). However, there are no more intensive vaccination campaigns every 5 for foxes and other vectors of these viruses in France such as non-domestic canids and bats, while rabies continues to exist.
This can be compared to the eradication of smallpox, which has not been done by vaccines, but by isolation measures as well.
hygiene measures concern humans, it does not play much on the spread of rabies in the animal world ... so again, you mix two things without direct links what is the interest ...
It's simple ! If hygienic measures are sufficient in themselves to avoid infection, it does not matter then that the sources of contamination are varied because the contamination is made more often by contact than by bites.
Then the current fox slaughtering campaigns, in France, are of the order of 500.000 to 1 million (depending on sources) per year, which drastically reduces the possibilities of propagation. This, moreover, favors the spread of Lyme disease by killing the main predators of tick carriers.
Thus, during campaigns of poisoning foxes, it was found that every fox killed, he was replaced by another fox rabid came to occupy the territory left vacant and rabies progressed according to the animals killed.

you still compare 2 totally different situations an urbanized country like France and a wild country like Canada, still no coherence in your remarks, compares what can be it

it is not the measures of hygiene that cause rabies to stop, it is that there are no more bites because the animals are no longer sick, so they do not attack the man anymore.

government source "The virus does not pass through healthy skin." so no risk by contact so you have to be injured, you still tell lies to be right

still no answer on your scientific studies
so you publish books but you can not give their titles or their editions
you studied a scientific field but you can not tell us which one or your level
you studied theology for years without attending any school
with you must really be a believer : Mrgreen:
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by Janic » 22/01/19, 14:33

you still compare 2 totally different situations an urbanized country like France and a wild country like Canada, still no coherence in your remarks, compares what can be it *

Go tell Canadians that they live only as savages. In case you are not aware, they also have cities and their anti-rage actions are around them, not lost in the middle of nowhere.
it is not the measures of hygiene that cause rabies to stop, it is that there are no more bites because the animals are no longer sick, so they do not attack the man anymore.
government source " The virus does not cross the healthy skin. "so no risk by contact so you have to be injured, you still tell lies to be right
Rabies is a viral disease that can affect all mammals, including humans. It is usually spread by bites, but it can also be contracted if the saliva of an infected animal enters the body through a cut of the skin or when in contact with eyes, nose or mouth.
still no answer on your scientific studies
Already, you should start by knowing better the meaning of the scientific word as defined by the various dictionaries.
so you publish books but you can not give their titles or their editions
Eh yes !
you studied a scientific field but you can not tell us which one or your level
Eh, no!
you studied theology for years without attending any school
Eh yes !
with you must really be a believer
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