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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 12/01/19, 14:38

ENERC wrote:
nico239 wrote:No, but where did you see that we are in a capitalist system :?: :?: :?:

We are very far Image

With 57% of GDP going into public finances we are closer to Stalinism than to capitalism. Not to mention the contribution of the deficit each year ...


Among others .... but do not believe it is "the same" in private ... : Mrgreen:
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by Grelinette » 13/01/19, 16:22

Revelations on the industrial waste of Amazon, accused of destroying millions of new objects ...

In the report published in "Capital", a journalist of the chain succeeded in being hired as a handler in one of Amazon's warehouses in Saran, in the Loiret, where he filmed the practices of society.

He was thus able to demonstrate the mess practiced by the American giant, at a time when we are talking about recovery and reuse of objects. In the news site where the journalist is assigned, large containers are loaded with coffee machines, television sets, diapers or other new toys, all intended to be delivered Truits.

At issue: contracts between the Amazon platform and sellers to whom the company offers to return or destroy their unsold goods, even if they are new, to limit storage costs. In one of the company's smallest storage sites in France, more than 290 almost new objects were scrapped in just 000 months.

If we add all the warehouses of the American giant, it is potentially more than 3 million new products that would be thrown away each year, according to the journalist of M6.



https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2019/01/1 ... _23640921/

http://www.rfi.fr/economie/20190112-gac ... te-capital

and, summum of the absurdity:
https://www.amazon.fr/Gaspillage-alimen ... limentaire

It’s not won friends! :(
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 13/01/19, 16:33

Grelinette wrote:Revelations on the industrial waste of Amazon, accused of destroying millions of new objects ...

In the report published in "Capital", a journalist of the chain succeeded in being hired as a handler in one of Amazon's warehouses in Saran, in the Loiret, where he filmed the practices of society.

He was thus able to demonstrate the mess practiced by the American giant, at a time when we are talking about recovery and reuse of objects. In the news site where the journalist is assigned, large containers are loaded with coffee machines, television sets, diapers or other new toys, all intended to be delivered Truits.

At issue: contracts between the Amazon platform and sellers to whom the company offers to return or destroy their unsold goods, even if they are new, to limit storage costs. In one of the company's smallest storage sites in France, more than 290 almost new objects were scrapped in just 000 months.

If we add all the warehouses of the American giant, it is potentially more than 3 million new products that would be thrown away each year, according to the journalist of M6.



https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2019/01/1 ... _23640921/

http://www.rfi.fr/economie/20190112-gac ... te-capital

and, summum of the absurdity:
https://www.amazon.fr/Gaspillage-alimen ... limentaire

It’s not won friends! :(


I don't want to discourage you, but dumpsters and shredders are everywhere ... just like the prohibitions for the staff to take the goods at the end.

Decathlon warehouses grind a package of goods in perfect condition.

With us they pretend to give to associations but lack of luck we find a lot of these "donations" in large skips in the parking lot.

In short it is a BINDING law that should be laid to avoid this culture of the destruction of good in working order ...

If we don't do that it's dead.
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by Ahmed » 13/01/19, 20:03

These goods are destroyed since they fail to achieve their real purpose: to increase the capital which has been invested in them through market exchange; their intact use value therefore no longer presents any interest and giving them would contribute to short-circuit the market exchange (to make its operation more difficult for the goods brought to the market). This way of managing the unsold goods is therefore perfectly logical with regard to the objectives of the economy, only those who did not understand this will be surprised.
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by Exnihiloest » 14/01/19, 21:04

If nothing new is bought, what do you see as a replacement activity for the millions of players in the production sector?
Isn't giving up the little pleasures of the (supposedly) superfluous a form of religious fundamentalism, like flogging or compelling oneself to pilgrimages?
Do we not also risk a stagnation of societies since technological innovations have always been a stimulating source for the progress of ideas, because how to distinguish without trying what would be a useful novelty of a product resembling the past?
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by Christophe » 14/01/19, 22:24

Go back to your bank :)
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by Ahmed » 14/01/19, 22:53

If nothing new is bought, what do you see as a replacement activity for the millions of players in the production sector?

This seemingly mundane question * is quite extraordinary if we examine it in the long term: indeed, except under capitalism (whether private or state) it would have aroused the Surprising because of the low regard for work and the evidence that it was opportune and easy to live with or with as little as possible ... What would have appeared as excellent news is perceived §U like a catastrophe under capitalism.
Slavery, which was an ancient solution, is not the cause of this disdain, but its consequence. The first English industrial revolution consisted in transforming the winter and additional weaving work of the peasants into intensive and controlled work (passage of the domestic system au factory system, therefore avoid the usual self-limitation of work to the strict necessary ...
The machines have not proven to be substitute slaves due to the reversal of roles ...

Do we not also risk stagnating societies ...

It is a vision very IXX century, which attributes a scale of value between the different cultures with that of the anthropologist as stallion!

* In addition, the very movement of technical innovation inexorably destroys work, which is an internal contradiction ...
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 15/01/19, 01:54

Exnihiloest wrote:If nothing new is bought, what do you see as a replacement activity for the millions of players in the production sector?
Isn't giving up the little pleasures of the (supposedly) superfluous a form of religious fundamentalism, like flogging or compelling oneself to pilgrimages?
Do we not also risk a stagnation of societies since technological innovations have always been a stimulating source for the progress of ideas, because how to distinguish without trying what would be a useful novelty of a product resembling the past?


Generalizing in this case is not of much use since neither one (buy only second-hand), nor the other (buy only new) will occur.

The two will side by side unless otherwise provided: you can always prohibit the driving of vehicles (or other) of more than x years.

But outside of a law: gift, secondhand and nine have a bright future ahead of them.
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 15/01/19, 01:58

Ahmed wrote:* In addition, the very movement of technical innovation inexorably destroys work


Are you sure about that?

Wouldn't he replace it with another?

After I agree that we can prefer work from before to work after: example manual work to robotic work but the two remain "works".
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by Christophe » 15/01/19, 10:58

In a world of overproduction and abundance (and this is our world) the argument of Exnihiloest is completely bogus !! We produce and consume far too many new products ... so there is a margin before this destroys jobs * ... especially since we cannot say that most of these products are manufactured © here !!

Yes Ahmed is right: technical progress destroys employment, this is called societal progress! Something that a lot of politicians formed (and stuck) in the last millennium have a hard time saying ...

Recent example: a few weeks ago some people condemned in advance the electric car because it was going to destroy employment because of its reduced maintenance costs ... so what?

Wasn't it the same thing that happened when the mechanical horses (= the car) replaced the horses ...
When the telegraph replaced the couriers ...
More recently when emails replaced letters ...

In short, we must stop crying over our little fate and adapt to the changing world, isn't that intelligence? : Mrgreen:

I know it's easier said than done, the concern is that it changes at a speed that humanity has never known ...

* useless jobs for many: I produce a shitty product or service that I sell to you, and you do the same ... what's the point of working? Stay in a doctrine? Do you have to work to live? But of course...
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