Le Potager du Sloth: Gardening without fatigue more than Bio

[Did67]

Certainly !

but:

1) He always presents himself as scientists. The fact of "showing off" often goes hand in hand with this lack of rigor. Therefore, they often take up a lot of space ...

2) The public does not know. Who will dare to call such a famous character a "big ass" (a Nobel Prize, why not - there are some in the States who have defended the heredity of intelligence and even sold their sperm - very expensive, obviously; they remained Nobel Prize) ???

[Moindreffor]

Certainly !

but:

1) He always presents himself as scientists. The fact of "showing off" often goes hand in hand with this lack of rigor. Therefore, they often take up a lot of space ...

2) The public does not know. Who will dare to call such a famous character a "big ass" (a Nobel Prize, why not - there are some in the States who have defended the heredity of intelligence and even sold their sperm - very expensive, obviously; they remained Nobel Prize) ???

it is precisely because such characters "slide" from science to pseudo-science that they are given the place, which they do not deserve, to make the buzz with

social networks show us that we can "live" from a small notoriety on the web, so when we have a great notoriety, we can "really live" and some scientists do not hesitate to take the plunge, when we see what a basketball player or a professional footballer can gain, some also want a piece of the pie ...

[to be chafoin]

a Nobel Prize, why not - there are some in the States, who defended the heredity of intelligence and even sold their sperm - very expensive, obviously; they remained Nobel Prize

What / who is this story?

[Did67]

https://www.nouvelobs.com/rue89/rue89-n ... bebes.html

https://www.liberation.fr/cahier-specia ... ies_487845

I honestly thought I remembered that it was a Nobel Prize that had founded it. Apparently my. But he endorsed it!

So you can be a Nobel Prize and stupid! CQFD!

Luckily, I'm not a Nobel Prize winner. So I still have a chance of not being ... !!! ?????

[to be chafoin]

Ah yeah, both terrifying and fun this true story of madmen!
I particularly noted this funny sentence in the article:

One of the most gifted comes from the sperm of a man who had lied about his abilities ...

[JardinierAmateur]

Didier, I'm referring to one of your last comments, which I summarize here: the lazy vegetable garden leads to laziness, we can therefore hope for an elevation of the intellectual level (the words are not exact, so in advance sorry, I summarizes the idea only)

Well done, goal achieved!

[Did67]

Ah! This p ... of marketing !!! Tighten your buttocks ...

Browse the distance selling catalog of a famous "organic specialist" ...

On the off chance that I looked at the "products", to stay up to date on what is authorized and what is no longer ...

And under the label of a well-known brand, I see "Anti-mildew". Written in giant: "100% of natural origin". Mentioned: "Authorized in organic farming".

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Intrigued by the absence of the mention "Bouillie bordelaise", so popular not so long ago, I look at the composition. I come across a "copper" limipde (clear for me - but the "papy sulphate", sensitized by the debates on copper sulphate, will he know that it is about copper sulphate?):

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Whoever goes to the end, and read the composition, which I presume printed in small on the packaging (very small perhaps ???), will be informed:

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I am amazed at the speed of the marketing reaction: debate on "copper sulphate" or on "Bordeaux mixture" and presto, the packaging becomes more discreet on this subject. remains not great "Anti-mildew". It freaks out in the gardens, so we reassure!

By the way, what a juicy market: € 12,90 for 250 g for a very simple product (about 75 g of pure copper sulphate!).

[Did67]

Didier, I'm referring to one of your last comments, which I summarize here: the lazy vegetable garden leads to laziness, we can therefore hope for an elevation of the intellectual level (the words are not exact, so in advance sorry, I summarizes the idea only)

Well done, goal achieved!

I implied two levels of possible reading of my remark:

a) If we are less agitated, we have time to think more ... Normally, we can take the time to "form" an opinion. Maybe even a "philosophy"?

It is no coincidence that our hectic world, where information circulates at the speed of light, is seriously ill with fake-news. I think Europe and democracy can pay the price for this. I am sometimes pessimistic. And I sometimes think of a dark future for my children.

b) The second level is that understanding the Lazy Garden, with the importance of symbiosis between organisms, the natural tendency of mechanisms to restore balances, could allow us to imagine that we are no more stupid than a Rhizobium or Glomeromycete ... "Vast program", the General would have said!

When will we see a movement of neon green briefs with the slogan: "Glomeromycete? Me too !!!"

[izentrop]

Hello,
It's like everything, a question of dose, everything is relative.

Many cultivated soils are deficient in copper as a trace element. https://www.gissol.fr/donnees/cartes/le ... eante-1915

The problem of copper is that it is not very mobile in the soil ... solved with tillage. Mulching that has been reworked must have the same effect of preventing concentration.
The problem, I think must arise more for the vine or the plants are always in the same place and or the authorized doses are 6 times higher than for the other cultures Will understand.

[Did67]

Yes.

a) Copper is a trace element, absorbed by plants, which therefore need it (like humans)!

b) The doses are the question.

“Copper (Cu) is one of the micronutrients required in very small amounts by plants. The normal range in the substrate is 0,05-0,5 ppm, while in most tissues the range normal is 3-10 ppm. "

In: https://www.pthorticulture.com/fr/zone- ... ticulture/

Crop requirements are between 25 and 150 g per hectare. The treatment consists of spreading copper sulphate on the ground as a preventive or curative treatment to spray on the leaves of copper-based specialties.

In: https://fertilisation-edu.fr/nutrition- ... ments.html

Worm populations begin to be decimated from 150 ppm.

c) Figures to be compared with those of soil treatments or analyzes:

- in viticulture, arboriculture or market gardening, we frequently find contents of 100 pp; INRA has carried out analyzes in viticultural soils with more than 500 ppm!

- the "maximum" inputs, which should be 5 kg of copper / ha and per year, assuming that the copper is not mobile and is concentrated over the first 10 cm, correspond to 1,5 ppm; every year and it accumulates !

We can therefore see that there is a considerable difference between the needs of plants and the normal contents of a soil and the repeated contributions (knowing that few people, apart from the "organic" certified professionals, respect the maximum doses of 5 kg on average per year!) of farmers.

I don't think it is serious to defend the use of copper on the grounds that plants need it!

That said, low mobility can lead to a paradoxical state: decimated superficial layers of worms and glomeromycetes and deep layers poorly provided with regard to the needs of plants). With the paradox that in the absence of worms and mycorrhizae, it will not "circulate well between these two layers!"