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by Christophe » 08/01/19, 12:35

Leonel wrote:The price of oil is only the drop of water that broke the camel's back, (...).


Hi and welcome here! Agree with you: you made a summary of what we said above ... 8)

The controversial news of the day:

Christophe Dettinger: the kitty supporting the boxer is controversial

VIDEO. A call for donations for the man, in police custody for hitting gendarmes, was launched on the Leetchi site. It exceeds 100 euros.


Christophe Dettinger seems to be always appreciated by the yellow vests. A kitty of support was launched Sunday, in the evening, on the Leetchi site, in order to help this former boxer, arrested on Monday and placed in police custody for hitting police officers during Act VIII of the mobilization. Tuesday morning, according to information reported by Le Figaro, it already had more than 117 euros and thousands of comments from supporters. Most of the money was said to have been collected in the past 000 hours, the daily said. However, it is no longer possible to see the amount of the pot at the moment, because it was hidden in the morning.

(...)




And the explanatory video:

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by Janic » 09/01/19, 11:30

Targeting political leaders directly at home or in the workplace. A process more and more used in France. And which recalls a mode of action: the scraps.
that is to say, what the French Revolution did, which the Republicans claim to do, vis-à-vis the nobility and the clergy and it moved more than with the yellow vests.
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by Christophe » 09/01/19, 11:54

We do not make a revolution by giving bread to the ducks ...
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by Christophe » 09/01/19, 12:06

Grelinette wrote:
Janic wrote:the GJ women's event was interesting too! the breakers (of the men) can not be introduced among these angry, but peaceful women, and therefore truly representative of this ras the general bowl of which Macron is not directly responsible, but where he strives to want to hug the fire with gasoline.

This initiative of feminine manifestation is interesting to 2 titles:

- on the one hand, it effectively discerns the peaceful GJ protesters from the thugs,

- on the other hand, it also makes it possible to counteract the misinformation of certain media on the exclusively violent character of this popular movement.


Here's a video that shows that it won't work:

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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 09/01/19, 12:11

The responsibility is shared.

As I said in my pre-movement decoding, Macron's management technique is inherited from the large business consultancy firms.

So we are very open to DISCUSSION with a capital D.

What they have not stopped doing with unions in particular: Laurent Berger to listen to on France Inter .... among others.

They talk, they talk, just like Macron does on the streets ...

But in the end they are always right and, as in the wishes: we do not deviate an iota from the program / project for which we were hired, while putting pink on the walls here and a fair trade organic coffee machine all floors.

And voilou.

And all legitimate and often very intelligent claims are made of the vertical classification.

So the discussions (and, seen from their side it is very clever), not to say the palavers only serve to OCCUPY the unions by giving them something to grind with respect to their base by saying we have passed X meetings, we were received, we worked ... yes but in the end for NOTHING concrete.

So we come to the Yellow Vests ... the same method is used with the difference that the YGs are angry, which the unions of their own do not do.

And the SIGNAL dramatic, deplorable, all you want, launched by the power is that ultimately it is by "breaking" that we get.

Catastrophic consequence for all the social dialogue, for the intermediate bodies in short for the whole of democracy.

When I said a few months ago in a distribution letter to friends that Macron was breaking France I was hardly mistaken.
The worst is especially the abolition of the housing tax which now makes it possible to submit the communes and to have them at its boot.
Too bad that not one had the courage to criticize this measure.

In short this said to return to the ground: we get ...
We get nothing or not much since, we are not going to rewrite history
The activity bonus had already been acquired so they hardly got anything on it except a modification of its application calendar
There is just on the sidelines the CSG for retirees
And the one-off bonus that some may have received: thank you, the Yellow Vests

With this and his almost certain re-election we are badly barred by heading straight for an Anglo-Saxonization of the country.
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by sen-no-sen » 09/01/19, 12:25

perplex wrote:
"nothing justifies violence, whatever the reasons for the anger", Valérie Pécresse, they really did not understand anything : roll:
It's no longer violence, it's self-defense !!!


The outbursts of violence are something quite normal in view of the current historical period and the socio-economic state (1) of our country.
We can easily predict that, depending on such or such manifestations, a certain number of overflows will be expected.
Law enforcement forecasts are based on this type of assessment (via the UCFM, the mobile force coordination unit).
Thus depending on the type of event (festive, ecological, socio-economic or societal) we see a certain type of participants agglomerate whose claims are numerous (calm, assertive, or hateful).
The course followed, the weather are also decisive elements in the development of an event.
Then come the consideration of the number of participants (10,100,1000,100 etc ...), knowing that the constitution of a group of more than 000 people can lead to the depersonalization phenomenon(2) (depersonalization induced by a process of collective stress).

In view of the socio-economic character and the tensions accumulated through the retreat of the middle classes over the past fifteen years, it is therefore quite logical to note the violent outbursts among the demonstrators, and it is just as logical to find in reaction some overflows of violence on the part of the police (action / reaction).

1) We are currently going through a period of stagflation (stagnation / economic inflation), phase preceding that of the depression, we will therefore see in the coming years more violent events in our society,and all this will be perfectly normal. As normal as finding that the water boils at around 100C ° ...

2) It would be urgent to popularize this phenomenon! Depersonalization is a psychological phenomenon that occurs when an individual loses their individuality due to a form of amazement induced by emotional tensions crossing a group of individuals.
It is for this reason that a certain number of thugs in the framework of the yellow vests demonstrations are people unknown to the police and more often than not good citizens in everyday life.
And it is for this reason also that most of them do not manage to understand their arrests despite obvious evidence such as video surveillance, it is as if they were in a "second" state.
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by Grelinette » 09/01/19, 13:01

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It is a very curious statement which is not really made to calm the anger. To wonder what are the motivations to add fuel to the fire, and if it is the competition of the one who will make the most provocative statement?

On the contrary, this pot highlights the remarkable solidarity of the French people for one of them.

Coming from a current politician, talk about "the lure of money" and of "disgust"is even more provoking today. It is very curious that the Secretary of State for Digital does not know that it is enough to type French politico-financial affairs on any search engine to get a concrete, objective idea of ​​what the real "attraction to money" is and the "loathing" it can elicit.

Perhaps we should remind him of the number of political figures of recent years involved in "affairs" whose amounts are far more exorbitant than this fund of support?

Perhaps he should be reminded of the number of political figures in his government, who had been announced to us to be "irreproachable", and who have already been pinned for "matters of attracting money"? These are pots and pans make much more noise and damage than the wrath of the Yellow Vests.

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by Christophe » 09/01/19, 14:05

Yes those who criticize this pot are nazes who have lost all sense of humanity and solidarity and understand nothing about the suffering of yellow vests! This pot is (was because it is suspended) an example of citizen generosity and solidarity against a government that is less and less citizen!

Let's be honest, the boxed cop, with his helmet, mustn't have been that bad : Cheesy:, even that the boxer had more sore hands than him! : Cheesy:

Orcently among the donors, there are certainly some cop thugs ... So what?

ps: you can include the tweets directly on the forum (just copied / pasted the tweet link)
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by Janic » 09/01/19, 15:14

We must have confidence, our government is fighting violence against women, if ...
already they are not women but GJs! And to beat one of the women on the ground is to let off steam by thinking that it is their own good wife who is moping. "Here s .... e take this in the G ..... e!" Where do we go if they can no longer let off steam, on blacks, Arabs, Jews and good women? : Cry:
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