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Re: Endocrine disruptor hunt (phthalates ..) open




by izentrop » 24/02/17, 08:36

Janic wrote:pseudo science? You mean the site that manipulates the lie shamelessly

For you, a speaker-speaker who issues authoritative arguments about pseudo-sources is the truth and a competent scientific committee in his field of knowledge that gives reliable information, without conflict of interest and verifiable is falsehood.

We do not have the same vision on manipulation and lies. : Wink:
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Re: Endocrine disruptor hunt (phthalates ..) open




by Janic » 24/02/17, 09:36

For you, a speaker-speaker who issues authoritative arguments about pseudo-sources is the truth and a competent scientific committee in his field of knowledge that gives reliable information, without conflict of interest and verifiable is falsehood.

you still have the same difficulties with French and reading it.
a) this speaker is an associate graduate of biology, (thus recognized by the profession composed of scientists!) which apparently is not your case.
b) To judge if they are from pseudo sources, it should not be difficult for you to answer the 16 + 5 questions asked about true / false and that will put an end to the supposed ones. On the other hand, this speaker indicates all his sources in his book.
c) If you were attentive to what is written, once again, it is the lies of the journalist who are implicated, relayed by the Lancet where conflicts of interest are obvious
d) The case was judged, not by a scientific committee but by a civil court on the content of the articles of the same journalist, giving him wrong. If this is your notion of reliable information: where are we going?
e) Responds point by point to the 16 + 5 questions by demonstrating their supposed falsity.
We do not have the same vision on manipulation and lies

Indeed, you claim to yourself thus more competent than an associate professor of biology and the court having judged on hand the manipulation and the lies of the journalist.
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Re: Endocrine disruptor hunt (phthalates ..) open




by dede2002 » 26/02/17, 10:43

Janic wrote:...

Contrary to a widespread prejudice, organic fruit and vegetable producers use many phytosanitary products to protect their crops. Azadirachtin better known as "neem oil" is one of them. This natural insecticide is used in apple, peach, cherry or plum orchards. The endocrine disrupting properties of azadirachtin have been known for centuries. This does not prevent organic fruit and vegetable producers from using it with all the usual precautions.

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Amha Azadirachtin is just one molecule in neem oil, isolated (and turned into poison) "thanks" to technology.

While there are many molecules that make up the neem, which probably compensate each other.

It's been centuries that we know its endocrine disrupting properties?

But it's been millennia since neem is used and appreciated in India!

If it affected the fertility, since time it would be possible ...?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margousier

"Ayurvedic treatises evoke the margosier or nim as early as 2 BC. Evidence of its use has been found during excavations at Harappa. In Sanskrit, the language of ancient literature, the margosa tree is called 'Nimba ", which is derived from the Nimbati term Swastyamdadati, which means" which gives good health "

“The tender shoots and flowers of the neem tree are eaten as a vegetable in India. A dish called Veppampoo charu made from the neem flower is prepared in Tamil Nadu. In West Bengal, the young neem leaves are fried in oil with small pieces of eggplant (brinjal) The dish is often the first item in a Bengali meal and serves as an appetizer and is eaten with rice.

Fresh, the bitter-tasting leaves are used in Cambodian cuisine as a spice. "
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by Janic » 26/02/17, 16:00

hello dede
your precision is very useful on the non-toxicity of the plant itself. But what about, precisely, extracts used in treatment and therefore how are they obtained?
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by dede2002 » 27/02/17, 13:05

Hello :)

It is the dose that makes the poison, with tomato leaves we can do poison.

I think it is "modern man" with his technology who seeks to concentrate, isolate the most active molecules from others, or even manufacture them (to earn more money in the process.)
And then we observe the side effects (as with white sugar, white flour, and other white powders ...)
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by izentrop » 27/02/17, 14:28

"Chemistry" is used to isolate the active ingredient from a plant.
The goal is to limit and control the undesirable effects, inevitable for an effective drug such as aspirin for example.
It was not until the twelfth century that the main active ingredient in these plants - salicyline - was isolated by a pharmacist who made a simple decoction of powdered white willow bark, followed by the filtration of the decoction and a concentration of the filtrate; he obtained white crystals, soluble in water which he called salicyline (from the Latin salix the willow). This famous salicyline proved to be a very effective remedy just like sodium salicylate also isolated from these plants. However, the severe heartburn caused by this treatment, yet very effective, then represented a major problem that had to be overcome. http://wiki.scienceamusante.net/index.p ... de_plantes
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Re: Endocrine disruptor hunt (phthalates ..) open




by Janic » 27/02/17, 18:29

Hello

It is the dose that makes the poison, with tomato leaves we can do poison.

This is accurate and therefore nuanced since it is increasingly recognized that the mere presence, regardless of the dose, can be harmful to health. Execute the alcohol!
I think it is "modern man" with his technology who seeks to concentrate, isolate the most active molecules from others, or even manufacture them (to earn more money in the process.)
And then we observe the side effects (as with white sugar, white flour, and other white powders ...)

Indeed (refined) sugar is not, in the pharmacological sense, a poison and yet its repeated action leads to an organic degradation following all the dangerous manipulations that it will have undergone.

"Chemistry" is used to isolate the active ingredient from a plant.

Chemistry (in the sense of its structure) and biochemistry are confused too easily, that is to say where components are not detached from their biological context.
The goal is to limit and control the undesirable effects, inevitable for an effective drug such as aspirin for example.

The problem is that isolating components of a product, such as willow or others, it induces effects poorly or not perceived during these manipulations. The debates between doctors underline, almost unanimously, that aspirin (which is a fluidifier of the blood) leads to haemorrhages, particularly stomach, especially since this product is on sale and therefore out of any prescription and, according to these same doctors and researchers, today aspirin would probably no longer obtain its MA.
On the other hand, among others:
http://www.plantes-et-sante.fr/jardiner ... la-douleur
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Re: Endocrine disruptor hunt (phthalates ..) open




by izentrop » 28/02/17, 09:19

Janic wrote:
dede wrote:It is the dose that makes the poison, with tomato leaves we can do poison.
This is accurate and therefore nuanced since it is increasingly recognized that the mere presence, regardless of the dose, can be harmful to health. Execute the alcohol!
In what way alcohol would derogate from the principle enacted by Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombast von Hohenheim? huh in what? http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article2215
Janic wrote:One confuses too easily chemistry (in the sense of its structure) and biochemistry
Confusionism. : Mrgreen:
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Re: Endocrine disruptor hunt (phthalates ..) open




by Janic » 28/02/17, 10:18

This is accurate and therefore nuanced since it is increasingly recognized that the mere presence, regardless of the dose, can be harmful to health. Execute the alcohol!

In what way alcohol would derogate from the principle enacted by Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombast von Hohenheim? huh in what? http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article2215

Interesting article although full of confusion.
So nothing! My observation is to be considered in relation to culture, more than in relation to laboratory analyzes.
According to the observation of Paracelsus, considered the founder of toxicology, "All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; only the dose makes a thing not a poison. ". Including the most necessary, such as water, oxygen, vitamins. AT
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison
Obviously Paracelsus pushes the cap a little far because except to be a fish, the excess of water absorption like drowning can be harmful and the same for the oxygen where, except now with the bottles which concentrate this product, the air contains very little. ditto for vit A or others, an overdose can occur only with synthetic products.

Pharmacologically, alcohol is an overton poison so a poison, but specific

Highlighted by Swede Overton, Overtonian poisons have the specificity of being soluble in water and fat. This double solubility makes them particularly dangerous.
These substances are indeed able to penetrate the nerve cell and sometimes cause irreparable damage.
The main overton poisons are cocaine, morphine, nicotine, alcohol, theobromine, ether and chloroform.


janic wrote: One confuses too easily chemistry (in the sense of its structure) and biochemistry

confusionism

Ignoring ! : Evil:
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