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Re: Phenomena observed but not explained?




by izentrop » 11/03/17, 08:47

Janic wrote:Ouarf, the funny! It's a safe bet that you haven't even seen the report ...
Clearly, according to you, the whole hospital, the surgeons, the nurses were playing comedy ...
It now seems extremely likely that many of the demonstrations of acupuncture during surgical operations in China had been rigged: in other words, these acupuncture sessions were, in reality, accompanied by the administration of local anesthetics, sedatives or other ways to control pain. This kind of hoax was again used recently, in 2006, when the BBC showed in its television series "Alternative Medicine" a surgical operation almost identical to that observed by doctor Rosenfeld three decades earlier ... http://www.pseudo-sciences.org/spip.php?article2460
Not proven, but the only proven effectiveness of acupuncture is the placebo effect.
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by Janic » 11/03/17, 09:14

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However, only the courts can declare whether fraud has really been committed.

Oh the funny one!
I know you have a hard time with French, but here is the ponpon! In case you didn't notice this sentence followed this one:
b) the charges of fraud have not been confirmed by the civil or criminal courts only empowered to determine it and not of the journalists in bad news.

and the BGMC has no authority before the state courts.

In 1998, the British surgeon Andrew Wakefield published in The Lancet a study carried out with twelve children affirming that some had developed a form of autism following the administration of the vaccine measles-mumps-rubella (ROR). This publication led to a sharp drop in vaccination coverage in the United Kingdom as well as a significant increase in cases of measles. However, no other team managed to replicate this result. Worse, in 2004, the Sunday Times revealed that the children supposedly became autistic were it before being vaccinated. The newspaper mainly revealed that Wakefield had been bought by a lawyer who wanted to take legal action against the laboratory producing the vaccine. The results of the study had in fact been entirely fabricated for this purpose. Several articles in the British Medical Journal later revealed that Wakefield planned to start a business based on an anti-vaccine propaganda campaign. In January 2010, a British General Medical Council court convicted the surgeon of data fabrication, depriving him of his right to practice medicine in the UK for life. https://lejournal.cnrs.fr/articles/sept ... of fraud

and what is in the insert in this article? : Although he has been convicted of falsification and banned from practicing medicine in the UK, Andrew wakefield continues to publicly promote his anti vaccination theses.
it is a pity that an organization like the CNRS engages, by this author (does it have the legitimacy?) in this kind of mixture of false information and if the author had excavated a little more the subject, it is would realize that Wakefield has never been against vaccinations, since he has developed a measles vaccine, but specific (which he has been accused of elsewhere). So does he question THAT the MMR
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So :
1. claiming that some had developed a form of autism following the administration of the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine
Wakefield working on digestive problems note AS WELL AS THE TWELVE OTHER SCIENTISTS WORKING WITH HIM that in these certains in question, autism developed after the administration of this vaccine, but not in others
2. . However, no other team succeeded in replicating this result.
If this team had tried to replicate these results on others than these certain in question, the result would have been just as negative, hence their failure.
3. Worse, in 2004, the Sunday Times revealed that the children supposedly became autistic were it before being vaccinated.
This Sunday Times through the journalist dismissed by the American justice, this journalist and his "accomplices" in conflict of interest? Is this what this article is alluding to?
4. In January 2010, British General Medical Council court found surgeon guilty of data fabrication, depriving him of his right to practice medicine in the UK for life
Many seem to ignore that the BGMC has no legal authority in state courts. It is an internal body like our Order of doctors which can authorize or prohibit the exercise of the profession of doctor within HIS action framework only. A specific ban does not disqualify the competence and the medical qualification which could be recognized and accepted in other countries, or even be found in the same country.
The abuses of these orders are legion as soon as someone goes off the rails like Professor Debré and others who has been excluded from this Order, (symbolically since he is retired), because he questions, he, too, certain components of the vaccines or the vaccines themselves as does the PR Belpomme renowned oncologist concerning Gardasil, etc…

Regarding conflicts of interest and false information another article below (Google translation)


Murdoch and Vaccines: Exposing Crimes Reveals Much Larger Story
https://translate.googleusercontent.com ... RVGQPublié July 17, 2011 by coto2admin | comments
By William Newton
A 2010 exhibit from Murdoch's Times in London revealed that it had published forged documents purporting to show that Iran planned to do nuclear experiments for an atomic weapon, and as Collins indicates, it was Murdoch's "drum of disinformation "which helped deceive people into believing that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11/5 attack, supporting Bush's invasion by invading Iraq, even though the information was" baseless, contradicted or even non-existent, "according to the Senate Intelligence Committee. 2008, XNUMX.
But what hasn't been covered yet is the internationally created media circus Murdoch'sLondon Times as it fabricated lies against a respected British doctor, with consequences that could impact the lives of billions of children in the world.
The London Times headlines say:
Callous, unethical and dishonest ": Dr. Andrew Wakefield,
MMR scary doctor Andrew Wakefield made a fortune in the United States,
Andrew Wakefield and MMR - the survey - by Brian Deer,
London Times: MMR doctor Andrew Wakefield 'abused his position of trust.'
Andrew Wakefield was a respected British gastroenterologist who started research on digestive problems in autistic children in collaboration with other doctors in the UK, after being called by parents seeking help. His work indicated severe digestive problems and he asked for more investigation into the MMR vaccine.
Brian Deer is the reporter who raved Dr. Wakefield from the pages of the Sunday Times, an article managed by James Murdoch, son of Rupert Murdoch, who is part of the board of directors of GlaxoSmithKline which makes the MMR. Deer investigated his case with the help of Medico-Legal Investigations, a private investigation company whose only source of funding is the British Pharmaceutical Industry Association. Deer was both the reporter writing on Wakefield and the person who brought a medical fitness case to the General Medical Council and then wrote about the procedures as well.
Parents whose children have been treated by Wakefield have been denied the right to be heard in real court over claims against vaccine manufacturers. The High Court judge who denied them was Sir Nigel Davis, whose brother is a member of the executive board of Elsevier, publishers of the Lancet, who withdrew Wakefield's 1998 document on the subject and is on the board of directors of GlaxoSmithKline. [/ u
] With the London Times giving Brian Deer free reign to attack Wakefield, the media closed in the shark alike. Coincidentally, the director of Reuters is on the board of directors of Merck and Miriam Stoppard, who writes for the daily newspaper Daily Mirror, is married to Sir Christopher Hogg, president of GlaxoSmith Kline in 2004. Dr Kumar, president of the GMC Fitness to Practice Panel who ruled against Dr. Andrew Wakefield, would not answer questions about his stakes in GlaxoSmithKline, and said that there was no such thing as vaccination damage and that all parents who claim that their children suffered such would be treated with contempt and contempt.
Wakefield lost his license to leave and left the UK. What had he done with this Murdoch machine went into action, creating fictions about it, getting his job taken from the Lancet, having it brought before the GMC to ultimately lose his license?
Wakefield suggested that until further studies, [u] the measles vaccine should be given as a separate vaccine
rather than in combinations like MMR (measles, mumps, rubella). He did not suggest that children do not take a measles vaccine, only that there should be caution until MMR has been studied further.. This reasonable suggestion was immediately met by the measles vaccines on the market.
Wakefield's work with Professor Walker-Smith and Professor Simon Murch had touched a nerve. The pharmaceutical industry, an industry that makes six times more than any industry on Wall Street is heavily invested in vaccines (in the United States, companies do not have to prove effectiveness to obtain approval from the FDA) and moves on each front to have their product Mandated
To suggest that one of the main vaccines for children could be to destroy them mentally and physiologically was a problem, but the study showed serious damage to the digestive system and mitochondrial dysfunction, so. Mitochondrial dysfunction has been confirmed by other studies, but taking Wakefield in a big way has become a way to discredit anyone questioning vaccines. Wakefield was thrown out as fraud and therefore all of these expressing concerns were dismissed by reference to him.
This documentary by Alan Golding provides the background that can allow people to judge the credibility of the Murdoch reporter for themselves:
To understand the gravity of all this, and therefore how much is at stake for millions if not billions of children, we must appreciate how deep it is for the mitochondria not to function normally. Science Daily explains:
“Children with autism are much more likely to have deficits in their ability to produce cellular energy than are typically developing children, a new study from researchers at UC Davis has found. , published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), found that cumulative damage and oxidative stress in the mitochondria, the cell's energy producer, could influence the onset and severity of autism, suggesting a strong link between autism and mitochondria. . Mitochondria are the main source of energy production in cells and carry their own set of genetic instructions, mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), to perform aerobic respiration. Dysfunction in the mitochondria is already associated with a number of other neurological conditions, including Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, schizophrenia ... ".
A study cited in Wikipedia says:
Mitochondrial disorders can be caused by mutations, acquired or inherited, in mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) or in the nuclear genes that code for mitochondrial components. They can also be the result of acquired mitochondrial dysfunction due to adverse effects of drugs, infections or other environmental causes (see MeSH). ... Defects in nuclear encoded mitochondrial genes are associated with hundreds of clinical disease phenotypes such as anemia, dementia, hypertension, lymphoma, retinopathy, seizures and neurodevelopmental disorders.
By opening the question of mitochondrial dysfunction and pressing for a return to a single measles vaccine (an earlier vaccine), Wakefield may have stumbled upon something explosive. MMR vaccine appears to be the third generation of vaccines, the so-called DNA vaccines. They involve firing genetically engineered material into the body, often using gene guns that have been used in the genetic engineering of seeds, in order to reach DNA "absorption".
From Wikipedia on methods of delivering DNA vaccines:
“The two most popular approaches are injection of DNA into physiological saline, using a standard hypodermic needle, and delivery of genes. ... Injection into saline is normally done intramuscularly (IM ) in skeletal muscle or intradermally (ID), with DNA being delivered to extracellular spaces. This can be assisted by electroporation; By temporarily damaging muscle fibers with myotoxins such as bupivacaine; Or by using solutions hypertonic saline or sucrose. Immune responses to this mode of delivery can be affected by many factors, including needle type, needle alignment, injection speed, volume of injection. injection, the type of muscle, age, sex and physiological state of the animal injected.
"Gene gun delivery, the other commonly used delivery method, ballistically accelerates plasmid DNA (pDNA) that has been adsorbed onto gold or tungsten microparticles in target cells, using helium compressed as an accelerator.
“Other delivery methods have included aerosolizing naked DNA onto mucosal surfaces, such as nasal and pulmonary mucosa, and topical administration of pDNA to the eye and vaginal mucosa. Mucosal surface release has also been achieved using cationic DNA liposome preparations, biodegradable microspheres, attenuated Shigella or Listeria vectors for oral administration to the intestinal mucosa, and recombinant [genetically engineered] adenovirus vectors.
DNA vaccines depend on the absorption of DNA. However, "its phenomenon has not been the subject of much research, so the actual mechanism of DNA uptake is unknown. "
And what is meant by DNA absorption? Does this mean, as it seems, that the genetically manipulated material is taken up by the DNA of those who are injected with it? And if so, does that mean that these vaccines genetically modify (or "genius") those who receive the vaccines?
Is it possible that the mitochondrial dysfunction seen in autistic children is the result of their DNA having been compromised? The new DNA vaccines derive from faulty gene therapy. Are the new DNA vaccines the result of genetic engineering experiments carried out on millions of children?
Cloned animals also suffer from mitochondrial dysfunction. Professor Joe Cummins writes:
“In cloned animals, mitochondria are transferred to the eggs along with the nucleus of the somatic cells, leading to a mixture of mitochondrial genes from the egg and the somatic cell from which the nucleus was obtained. This mixture of mitochondria (called heteroplasmia) introduces an incompatibility between mitochondrial and nuclear genetic material which contributes to the high rates of abnormalities and deaths in clones and leads to cell and tissue disruption as the cloned animal develops. The impact of mitochondrial dysfunction is great because mitochondria provide energy for cells. "
It seems that people have already been genetically modified. Dr. Joseph Cummins, professor emeritus of biology at the University of Western Ontario, says, “It is likely that transplants are going on, but very, very calmly in a regulatory vacuum, perhaps.
See also these quotes from this article:
Genetically modified beings. Barritt, Jason A., et al. “Mitochondria in human offspring derived from ooplasmic transplantation.” Human Reproduction, 16.3 (2001), p. 513-6.
"The first cases of genetic modification of human human lines have been announced." British Medical Journal 322 (May 12, 2001), p. 1144.
“Genetically modified human babies?” Australian Broadcasting Corporation, May 8, 2001.
Hawes, SM, C. Sapienza and KE Latham. "Ooplasmic donation in humans: the potential for epigenetic changes". Human reproduction 17.4 (2002), 850-2. • Hill, Amélie.
"Horror in Three Parent Fetal Gene Disorders". Observer (London), May 20, 2001.
The 23 new DNA vaccines have been linked to autism. Do new DNA vaccines modify and / or damage children's DNA, the code of life?
An overview of Murdoch's ties to the pharmaceutical industry and international bankers cannot answer this question, but at a minimum suggest serious problems with the vaccines with the greatest wealth of power in the world promoting them, however. org is credited with this piece:
Lloyd Blankfein is co-chair of the Rupert Murdoch media memorial in the New York City-founded David Rockefeller Partnership (PFNYC), chartered by the Royal Family of England. This group is advancing a major global biotechnology bank, heavily invested in geno-pharmaceuticals and genetic engineering of the flu vaccine. [Not underlined in the original.]
“Members of this group, along with the Assets led by George Soros, virtually monopolized the genetics industry during the 1990s, culminating with the privatization of the Human Genome Project.
"The involvement of these economic leaders in the vaccine industry is very revealing and even shocking, as the following facts prove:
"The Baxter Corporation, accused of spreading blood products contaminated with HIV between the late 1970s and the 1980s; An inexpensive lethal heparin substitute in 2008; And seasonal influenza vaccines contaminated with H5N1 early of 2009 were led by Mr. Tony White, Soros' representative at the head of the private Applera Company, following his obvious obstacle to the Human Genome Project in the late 1990s. The sudden privatization of what was previously publicly owned, not-for-profit and patentable, also involved co-authors - the US Department of Energy and the Wellcome Trust of London.
Today, the American Baxter Company is a major manufacturer of H1N1 vaccines for European countries and at the center of the controversy surrounding the growing epidemic of recombinant H1N1-hemorrhagic pneumonia. Many experts conclude the 1 three-phase H1N2009 triplet from 'a laboratory, similar to that of 1977.
«Rupert Murdoch's mother, Elizabeth, Lady Commander of the Very Good Order of the British Empire, and her daughter-in-law, Sarah Murdoch, steward of the Royal Women's Hospital and Murdoch Children's Research Institute respectively in Australia. In 2009, they oversaw the testing of vaccines against the H1N1 virus in infants, children and pregnant women, in collaboration with the Merck subsidiary, CSL.
In addition, Rupert Murdoch's son James oversees GlaxoSmithKline, another major manufacturer of H1N1 vaccines.
Regarding efficacy, and especially safety, the CSL / Merck H1N1 vaccine tested in facilities run by the Murdoch family was simply assumed to be both safe and effective according to its inset. The new and old vaccine had "no controlled clinical study demonstrating a decrease in flu disease after vaccination with the company's seasonal flu vaccine, AFLURIA."
Likewise, vaccine safety was speciously taken after the evaluation days comparing those who received AFLURIA (with or without mercury preservative, confusing everyone's analysis) with those who received a certain 'vaccine. EU-approved trivalent inactivated influenza as active control. "Control" was stored with mercury.
In plain language, an unidentified presumably neurotoxic vaccine served as a “placebo control.” Since no inactive placebo control such as saline was used, the study design was clearly flawed. , confused, biased, and arguably fraudulent. It may have prevented statistically significant differences between the experimental and control groups from being observed, falsely indicating safety due to the lack of adverse event differentials. This intentional smell exclusively benefited those who have conflicting interests and / or those who tend to trust security assurances to the detriment of public health and medical science. However, the assets of News Corp led by Murdoch have widely promoted these H1N1 risk vaccines as urgent, safe and effective.
Curiously, in 2008 the Wellcome Trust of London's Biocentre, the UK's largest non-governmental source of funding for biomedical research, created a special grant program to fund research into mysterious science-linked neurodegenerative diseases censored with mercury thimerosal.
"Wellcome Trust's alleged divestment of competing pharmaceutical interests following the sale of Burroughs Wellcome to Glaxo PLC, created GlaxoWellcome, currently GlaxoSmithKlein. This 'divestment' claim is discredited by more than the fund's involvement in the hack. of the Human Genome Project, involving George Soros and David Rockefeller-related investors. Again, GlaxoSmithKlein makes the H1N1 vaccine, and Rupert Murdoch's heir, James Murdoch, oversees their board of directors.
"And that's not all... Rupert Murdoch's PFNYC co-chair Lloyd Blankfein is a major shareholder in the Goldman-Sachs / AstraZeneca partnership. He led the AstraZeneca $ 15 billion acquisition from MedImmune. , the manufacturer H1N1 FLUMIST.
Besides James and Rupert's News Corp who run filmmakers Twentieth Century Fox and Warner Brothers, the mass mindset in the West is reinforced by PFNYC partner and Reuters News Service CEO Thomas H. Glocer. Glocer sits on the board of directors of Merck & Company, whose H1N1 vaccine (CSL) and Pneumovax vaccine (Merck) expand markets as main ingredient - lab-modified H1N1 virus - transforms, as in Ukraine , becoming more deadly.
Furthermore, those poorly paid, ill-trained pharmacists who administer vaccines in supermarkets, draining physician income streams, reflect the 'hostile takeover' of clinical medicine by Goldman-Sachs sponsor PFNYC "Corporate Partner ”and world leader This industry-altering practice of“ vaccination ”is promoted as an“ economy ”of invention according to KKR director of Safeway supermarkets, Steven Burd, founder of the Coalition to Advance Healthcare Reform ( CAHR), popularly called "Obamacare".
Whatever the answer to the questions about the new DNA vaccines, it is obvious that Rupert Murdoch's ties to the pharmaceutical industry and vaccines are very deep. No investigation into Murdoch's crimes should omit his efforts to use his media empire to prevent exposure to the potential dangers of MMR vaccines and possibly all new DNA vaccines.

Now you can continue to spread false information, as usual, this will only emphasize your dependence on lobbies.
And while you're at it: where are the answers to the false accusations you posted here?

Not proven, but the only proven effectiveness of acupuncture is the placebo effect.
if you didn't exist, you would have to invent yourself, just for fun! :D
In the information / disinformation genre, your interventions are characteristic of a lack of personal reflection, as Obamot emphatically emphasized.
The proof, here as for other things, is in the demonstration of its effectiveness recognized by the practicing doctors of this discipline as proven by the image, (and not by verbal leucorrheas in your kind) the operation in question (one among others not filmed).
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Re: Phenomena observed but not explained?




by izentrop » 11/03/17, 15:22

Given the kind of articles you cite, I understand that you regret Obamot. :|
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by Janic » 11/03/17, 18:26

Given the kind of articles you cite, I understand that you regret Obamot
as for citing articles, you are not outdone! On the other hand you can always say what, in this one, is false ... you know the 16 pending questions to which you still haven't answered.
As for Obamot, he did not quote sects, but information that is official and therefore credible within their framework of convictions. which reinforces what I wrote above.
In the information / disinformation genre, your interventions are characteristic of a lack of personal reflection, as Obamot emphatically emphasized.
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by Grelinette » 16/03/17, 17:45

I observe that even starting from a very banal subject, the debate can turn into a semantic jousting ... and I cannot explain why! : Cheesy:

A sort of "Godwin point" applied to rhetoric when it is not based on science? ... : Shock:
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by Janic » 16/03/17, 18:13

Grelinette hello
I observe that even starting from a very banal subject, the debate can turn into a semantic jousting ... and I cannot explain why!

Are you talking about the subject of unexplained phenomena in general, or the last point on open heart surgery under acupuncture?
For this last point, it is not a question of semantics, but of a concrete reality which differs from our Western medical culture which is claimed, it alone, true, concrete, "scientific" by the word of a "sect Which is only a self-recommendation to be scientific when it is only a pseudoscience according to its own name.
Some kind of "Godwin point" applied to rhetoric when it is not based on science?

Science does not belong to anyone and real scientists are aware of it, THEY, knowing that each knowledge is always only partial and always likely to be called into question.
In this case, concerning the documentary, the reality that it shows is to be found in the millennial practice of a method of relieving pain and avoiding many drugs administered in Western medicine and whether it is "scientific" or not. Oriental culture does not care since it is the practice and the proven effectiveness of it that matters. (whatever it proves more and more with modern technical means and what the doctor is trying to bring!)
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