The paradox of the effect of antibiotics (Lyme)

[dedeleco]

Another beautiful case is angina which, treated too quickly, returns in the form of shingles years later! (Bad luck, perpetual pain!)

no evidence of direct relationship given the delay, because virus:
"Shingles is a viral disease caused by reactivation more than 60 years later of the varicella zoster virus or VZV, for Varicella Zoster Virus, belonging to the herpes virus family, which is the virus responsible for chickenpox." see wiki and many others

[Christophe]

A good synthetic article: http://www.lyme-sante-verite.fr/La_mala ... _maladie.B

[dedeleco]

Very good summary which obliges to go to Germany so seriously affected:
"Since January 2012, the medical denial of the French authorities has turned into real crackdown on researchers, biologists and doctors who try to alert health services about Lyme Borreliosis. Revolted and worried, patients rallied around these researchers, biologists and doctors to create an association, "Lyme sans Frontières", and carry out concrete actions aimed at changing the situation in France. "

So find and detect, like me and my wife, any tiny black dot tick less than mm , every day, after staying outside, your garden and elsewhere, to never have a tick, which grows on you unnoticed for days, and strongly disinfect with the disinfectant like Dakin (diluted bleach and permanganate) acting on the wound for a day under a plaster !! !!

[elephant]

Dedeleco, you're right, I'm becoming gaga

Indeed, it is chickenpox that migrates into shingles, angina, it is, I believe in rheumatoid arthritis or something like that.

A thousand apologies to all.

[Janic]

It turns out that I had 3 dogs which frolicked in the garden or in the forest and which returned with ticks, from a few to ten and as I did not "tag" every day; some, the easiest to find, especially around the neck, of the ears were soaked with blood. For the three I detached without precaution each tick and put a drop of lemon in the place concerned, same thing for me, for those, much rarer who came to lodge around my waist. So roughly 30 years in a row and no dog or cat (more difficult to de-tick) has shown the slightest sign of Lyme disease ... neither have I! Lemon is a powerful bactericide and antiseptic!

[elephant]

I always struggled with the tweezers to remove them until the day or my pharmacist sold me a small kit of 2 (1 large, 1 small) utensils specially designed for. It looks like plastic miniature crowbars.



It is always better to cool the insect with ether before operating.

[Grelinette]

Thank you for all the info.

From all we have read (and there is a lot of literature on Lyme on the internet), it seems that Lyme disease is also transmitted by the bite of other insects (mosquitoes).

However, despite all the studies available on the net, this pathology remains little known in France.

This morning we were in an infectious disease department of a hospital to start treatment following the positive Elisa test, but ... rebellious, the attending physician not having deemed it useful to have the serology confirmed by the Western Blot test, we have to wait for the results of this 2nd test.

It also turns out that the few French doctors who know and specialize in the treatment of this disease do not like being told what we have read on the net about Lyme and very controversial opinions!

According to the specialist met this morning, a lot of information on the internet is deliberately false, ambiguous and alarmist, and widely disseminated on the media by certain laboratories in order to encourage many tests which cost several hundred euros each. .. tests obviously sold by said laboratories!

However, the association France-Lyme offers to advise locally the people affected, and, effectively, after sending them an email requesting information, a person to call back within the hour to give advice to avoid getting embroiled in unnecessary, lengthy medical procedures and expensive prescribed by doctors who do not know the pathology!

In fact, this disease being difficult to diagnose, from the outset most of the incompetent doctors in the matter diagnose "psychosomatic" disorders, like this testimony!

In short, between the complexity of the forms that Lyme disease can take and a medical profession that remains locked in its certainties, the bacteria Bb still has a bright future ahead of it.

Since an Elisa test gave us a positive result 1 week ago, we have sought to find out more and have questioned those around us. Fact, everyone we have talked to has a loved one who has been or is affected : this may not be a reliable statistic but it seems that this disease is therefore very widespread.

(Including among the forumTheir econologists, many of whom seem to have crossed paths with Borrelia ...)

[Christophe]

Attention Grelinette, there are 2 things to distinguish:

a) Treat the symptoms of Lyme without knowing the origin (so no test done for Borreliosis) which can be catastrophic because if we wait for years before doing the screening tests for Borelia, the case can only get worse!

b) Having done the tests and more or less effectively treating Boreliosis ...

Obviously you are already in case b) so it's not so bad ... remains to be seen at what level of infection the disease is (WB gives I believe a scale of 0 to 10 which seems to me logarithmic ... but I'm not sure)

I'm sending you an MP.

[Christophe]

It is always better to cool the insect with ether before operating.

False: it increases the risk of Boreliosis infection !!

Indeed if the tick is asleep or suffocated (ether, butter ...) there is strong chances that it regurgitates and therefore considerably increase the risks of infections!

Basically: if you keep the tick less than 24 and you do not fall asleep or suffocate it before removing it then the risks of contamination are very low ...

What is certain is that, contrary to popular thought, the head that remains in the skin is not a factor of infection! A tick head that remains under the skin is not serious, at worst it is a hope of biological splinter of which the skin will get rid sooner or later ...

It is better to have a head of a contaminated tick which remains under the skin than a vomit of this same tick properly removed !! Because Borélia is not in the head!

[dedeleco]

Unlike some like Janic, I am and remain at the micro phase minus the mmm continuously eradicated for over 40 years, taking great scientific care !!
The clamp for less than a mm is ineffective, unsuitable, if the head less than a tenth of a mm rest, you have to cut the flesh to remove it, then disinfect it !!

So find and detect, like me and my wife, any tiny black dot tick less than mm , every day, after staying outside, your garden and elsewhere, to never have a tick, which grows on you unnoticed for days, and strongly disinfect with the disinfectant like Dakin (diluted bleach and permanganate) acting on the wound for a day under a plaster !! !!

Otherwise the tiny swirling tiger mosquitoes, also transmit lots of viruses of all kinds and bacteria, like chikungunya, which is carried on the joints and tendons in the long term too !!
It is invading all of France and there are plenty in all of southern France, thousands of bites for me.