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by Macro » 23/01/15, 19:09

They even talk about restoring national indignity

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indignit%C3%A9_nationale
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by sen-no-sen » 23/02/15, 20:32

The shock strategy still confirmed:

Iraq: French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle engaged against Daesh

France is engaging this Monday its nuclear aircraft carrier in operations against the Islamic State organization in Iraq to facilitate air strikes. Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian landed this Monday morning on the ship in the open sea to kick off operations.


http://www.20minutes.fr/monde/1546931-20150223-irak-porte-francais-charles-gaulle-engage-contre-daesh

A terrible January 7 which recalls an abominable September 11 ... What can there be so extraordinary in Iraq so that the military powers of NATO are condemned to intervene there so frequently ???
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by Ahmed » 23/02/15, 21:08

In Iraq, there is a goat ...
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by JLB29P » 19/11/15, 21:59

Lions blinded by a shadow

Tale of unknown origin (you can never be too careful)

It is a story that happened in a village in deep Africa, at a time certainly as distant, because there lived a people of guinea fowl.
They were very proud of the colors of their feathers and made it known by chattering so hard that the animals of the neighboring villages derided them by derision "the lights of the world"!
But these naive people believed it.
It must be recognized that they sometimes had good ideas. For example, they had noticed that the smell of their cow's dung attracted lions.
They had therefore decided to collect the dung as they went along, and burn them each evening.
- "What, are you already picking up?" "
- "This story is not credible, guinea fowl raising cows!" Whatever "
- «in such an ancient story, before throwing the baby out with the bathwater, let me document the size of the cows. They were dwarfs. "

In this village, there was a Griot (who lived with his Griotte, but that's another story that doesn't concern us).
You know, the kind of Griot who believes he knows everything and especially likes to let people know.
He informed guinea fowl and other animals, by propagating the cancans, which in a poultry village is not lacking.
He had even embarked on a scatological quest: to list the droppings of predators and their prey (potential but not on earth he said, having the pun easy),
because "it is in need that we recognize our friends" he justified himself to rhyme humor, pun and heavy ...

Lions were busy waging war on warthogs (not gates), for obscure reasons that eluded the happy guinea fowl people.
But, to protect themselves and other predators, these bizarre guinea fowl had made an alliance with hawks!
Not all, only one variety that lived in the village, ensured the safety of its inhabitants; sometimes (too by accident) a too brave chick whose cries had not yet taken the dominant tone was swallowed, but good year badly, this the curious alliance that some griots found against nature gave satisfaction to the greatest number.

One day the griot (whom everyone called Charly, his pen name!), Decided that the Spirit of the Lion was a legend, that the lions were far away, that we had to stop living in fear.
To make fun of fear, you had to make fun of its object.
To make fun of it, he assembled various dung balls, to make statues of lions.
At the end of the day, I don't tell you its color! His feathers covered in shit.
Her neighbors complained about the smell and feared it would attract lions again.

He may say
- "I don't fear the lion"
For safety, we isolated him in an empty hut by letting a hawk turn around (didn't I tell you that it was a story of birds?)
Unfortunately, a few lion cubs (or foolish lions), whom the smell attracted, probably thinking that a herd of these delicious little cows had returned, landed without warning (apart from Lyon, they never cry out!)
During incursions near the village, other lions or these, saw the statues in the shape of lion and took offense.
By summary judgment they concluded: “It looks like us, but we are clothed in a coat, not flies; we have never seen the Spirit of the Lion, so it is the Spirit of the Lion that these madmen make fun of!
Sacrilege! "
Before the village woke up, the damage was done. The lions licked their lips, the griot was toasted (bad tongues claimed that it was his carma, that he was born grilled).
But if by stirring the shit the griot had attracted the lions, he was not the only one to leave feathers there!
Falcons came in reinforcement having the memory of turbulent but clumsy lion cubs did not recognize them in these lions with teeth and deadly claws and were also torn apart.
The hawks regrouped and came to an end not without difficulty; which earned them the cheers of the crowd.
The battle ended, a large palaver was organized on the place which the water of the fountain sprinkles.
Some, in a spirit of revenge, proposed to bury the lions in warthog skins so that the spirit of the Lion does not recognize them and does not welcome them in its eternal hunts.
A wise man who was not asked his opinion, pointed out that the lions who venerate the Spirit of the Lion (which even the guinea fowl find legitimate), kill their prey for food,
and that after having killed them, they pray to the Spirit of the Lion to allow the spirit of their victims to find the way of their celestial pastures, so that life is perpetuated.

However, they had only been attracted by the smell of excrement; that they had killed by madness and not under the inspiration of the Spirit of the Lion which says that one kills for food.
The palaver could not end without a funeral and propitiatory feast.
The chiefs of the surrounding villages were invited, so that the story would be profitable for them.
We made a ratatouille and a gigantic omelet.
And as among these people, proud of their culinary art, we find it hard to think about the future, we neglected "we don't make an omelet without breaking eggs"!
It took a generation to recover.

A wise lion who had not been asked his opinion either added:
- “The sacrilege was to see the Spirit of the Lion in an object and not only in its own spirit when one is a lion. A guinea fowl cannot therefore imitate what it has never seen ”.
- "These naive lions were victims of shadow puppets, They recognized the shadow of a dog and imagined the dog where the artist places his hand".
- "You are not immune to the same error, you birds! Remember what happens to those of you - who, victims of the cuckoo clock, recognize and worship his egg as their little one! "
- "Whoever claims to represent the Spirit of Lion by his shadow is an idiot, and whoever is moved is also stupid! "
- "When you see in a dark form the shape of a bird, it is not necessarily a bird which gives this shadow and surely not the Spirit of the Bird!" "
- "A blind man cannot see a shadow, he cannot recognize light by his appearance, but he feels on his skin, in his heart, if light bathes him in his benefits or abandons him.
But if you want to get too close to it, any animal will be dazzled and will then become unable to recognize it. Even the blind will be burned! "
- “The Spirits, of the Lion as of the Bird cannot have shade! cannot be represented, because the Spirit is light and light has no shadow! "
- "Recognizing the shade of the sun is impossible. "

The wise man being thirsty, he fell silent.
Morality: there is no bedridden death, because the birds die as they sleep: standing or (flying?)

This tale (of unknown origin) can be used in all schools, even in physics class, because a parable concentrates all the lights, even those of the believers.

Note: this text is free for internal use of school newspapers,
- Koranic, Jewish, police, secular and denominational schools,
- from Charlie Hebdo newspaper

Any other dissemination is reprehensible, in particular: the Internet, and posting in ministerial, senate and parliament canteens.
Offenders will ask themselves the question for a long time: what did I escape? and am i forgotten?
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by Obamot » 20/11/15, 13:29

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November 13 attacks (continuation, alas)
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To get back to the bottom and with regard to the "radical branches", let's try a modest analysis to find"a cordial path of appeasement between different opinions", if not those who for some swim in the quicksand of the"schizophrenia"(parenthesis because to use only with tweezers, but there is that) - I mean, these asocial and psychopathic beings who committed these crimes - would have won in the end! So you have to admit or all at least discuss the following points (or some similar ideas that come close):

1) these attackers (who rather fall under the above categories) therefore have nothing of the slightest connection that one could connect to a "religious faith" within the meaning of "religare", or elevation of the spirit for the purpose of communion and tolerance. This is of course the diametrically opposite, although some of the attackers keep chanting tesbihats or dou'a! BUT ... ;

2) it must however be recognized that they act in total profanation of the principles of the Koran (this book and in this specific case). This gives partially right to Exnihiloest and PB2488 and others wanting to declaim it and partially wrong to what I said before (I was aware of it, but I did it to avoid amalgamation, moreover it does not imply in no way the humble practitioners of any religious community).

3) there are obviously one or more hierarchical levels which tend to instrumentalize, manipulate weaker minds, it is certain (and which left the deontological domain of "education" which consists in leaving the field free to the pupil, in contrast to a pathos and / or a perverse will and not something else) in what must then no longer be called a "Religion", but a criminal and supremacist organization (with apocalyptic aims) which contradicts the basis of the claims of the assailants supposed to fight a world of which they denounce the defects that they themselves replicate!

4) However, a profanation is not exclusive to a particular dogma (but can affect any of the 3 great central dogmas of belonging known as soon as they are diverted from their initial function) which proves that it There is no specificity (the history of men has unfortunately demonstrated it so much ...) which confirms that we are facing neuroses which are expressed through "a culture of death" and demonstrates a progressive gradation in psychopathologies (and no longer their opposite: personal development and / or spiritual upliftment and the liberating effect of the accumulation of knowledge) which therefore these delinquents of any group whatsoever , have - once again - nothing to do with any religion, we end up with individuals who make mind-boggling projections through their ego, which go beyond comprehension in order to give them a feeling of "all power"still totally the opposite of the self-denial that a path of wisdom supposes ...

5) It is quite clear that for this vermin to proliferate, it took "a breeding ground", I would even say an incubator: this is where we discover the immeasurable negligence of the political elites (which we apparently found as much in the Middle East as in the West, and even elsewhere) - elites who knew these problems, paid dearly for specialists to study them, but who did not take proper care of THEIR population, of THEIR youth, especially in the suburbs - and this by virtue of the principles governing another dogma, the flight ahead of the economy, having seen fit to place technocracy at the center of the theoretical model! As the height of self-denial? You are kidding if you think so ... I would rather say by a totalitarian cultural form which puts almost everything on profit, instead of being more focused on the value of the human being, almost therefore out of contempt for him .

It is thus futile for any of the dogmas governed by erroneous thought to achieve its goals, since sooner or later (like Peter's principle for individuals) models reach their level of obsolescence and fall apart. acting cults or culture, are diametrically opposed to hieratic principles (in the sense of "unchangeable") neither / and / or sacred (since they necessarily always violate the spirit and the provisions of the texts governed by the" legislators "to carve out phantasmagorical paradigms in the image of their creators (instead of being at service of peoples) no more than in the service of "god" (good business ...).

And that goes just as well for any hegemonic dogma, in this case: "terrorism"VS"totalitarian merchant system"which seem well - somewhere - one to be the emanation of the other ...
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by Ahmed » 21/11/15, 11:10

Your point N ° 5 particularly catches my attention.
There are restrictions in this little text which do not have to be and which are due to the general formulation.

You say that the "political elites" did not take good care of THEIR population, of THEIR suburbs, because they were centered on the economic headlong rush: rather than properly fulfilling their role as agents of the system, they fell to them. to promote it to the detriment of the population which has been guilty of naivety by hoping for something other than good words * and by parking in the suburbs those who are rejected in an internal exile.
For the rest, you just have to remove the "almost" and "allow yourself to think" (as it would say Coluche) without these precautions!

* Once is not custom (but it is not the first and I hope not the last) I agree with Ex nihilo, it is up to the populations to decide their fate instead of waiting for others to act in their favor, with a disinterestedness which is obviously not observed in reality, since without reason.
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by Exnihiloest » 21/11/15, 17:57

Obamot wrote:...
1) these attackers (who rather fall under the above categories) therefore have nothing of the slightest connection that one could connect to a "religious faith" within the meaning of "religare...

except thatthey claim it. A straw !...
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by Obamot » 21/11/15, 18:18

Already said:

Exnihiloest wrote:
Obamot wrote:...
1) these attackers which rather fall under the above categories [asocial beings, psychopaths, schizophrenics] therefore have nothing of the slightest connection that one could connect to a "religious faith" within the meaning of "religare...

except thatthey claim it. A straw !...


1) it's not because Dutroux (still in prison) claiming that "loved children"that it was true,
(he loved them so much that he raped and killed them). : Cry:

2) it is not because you, A_partir_de_rien, you claim the right to place YOU in a position of arbiter in relation to "Einstein's fields of competence" >>>, that you really have the size to do it.

3) you can always try, as usual, to dissociate my remarks from the whole, it is besides a "test", but your remark is NOT relevant nor justified at this stage.

And it's not because I would "claim" that you would be a super-troll in this forum, that you are one ... ^^

But I assume : Arrowd: RTDC.

Obamot wrote:2) it must however be recognized that they act in total profanation of the principles of the Koran (this book and in this specific case). This partially proves Exnihiloest and PB2488 and others wanting to declaim it and partially wrong to what I said before (I was aware of it, but I did it to avoid amalgamation, moreover it does not in any way imply the humble practitioners of 'no religious community).
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by Exnihiloest » 22/11/15, 16:15

Obamot wrote:...
1) it's not because Dutroux (still in prison) claiming that "loved children"that it was true,
...

Obviously. Another knock on an open door since no one said the opposite.

The point was this statement:
"these attackers [] therefore have nothing of the slightest connection that one could connect to a" religious faith ""
Well if: the fact that they claim this faith is the demonstration of the bond. Whether the faith is sincere, imagined, or falsely affirmed does not change this connection.

2) you claim the right ...
3) you can always try, as usual ...
... you would be a super-troll ...

And the argumentum ad personam which begins again. See Jules Romains.
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by Obamot » 22/11/15, 17:14

Still full of tips and digressions to take things out of their context and place them in another context gratifying for you, since it allows you to demonstrate and prove yourself right. And it took you forever to react.

The point is that as long as some people are interested in these groups it will be enough to legitimize them and fall into the trap.
It's not an open door, it's a precipice.

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