Sorting everyone knows.
What you sort benefits some.
My approach is as follows:
You buy a bottle of soda
You buy a container and content
you pay once
You use the content and you are said to do so-called selective sorting for recycling (represents approximately 30%)
You pay a second time
We give subsidies to some for supposedly eliminating and revaluing this waste
you pay a third time
Those who have collected your waste and received subsidies use it to transform it into energy
electric you pay a fourth time
In thermal energy in cities
you pay a fifth time
Your plastic packaging is nothing more or less than fuel and I am not talking about tires.
Now imagine that you can directly use this waste this would represent 3/4 of your energy expenditure
Because the biggest item of expenditure in our daily life is domestic hot water and heating, once we have eliminated these items your energy dependence is ridiculous.
To finish it, here is a little overview on what I propose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RYfY7QE-n0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hB6qZeDhcQ
What do you think??????
Your fuel is in your trash and your water
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burning just to heat is not the best way
however I also do it mainly with wood, but also with polyethylene and PET plastic which burns cleanly without inventing anything mixed with wood
I agree that it is a little stupid to spend public money on selective sorting which costs too much
when recycling will be better organized and the empty bottles will be bought at a non-zero price I will sell them!
I think that recovery PET has more value than heating fuel: more efficient recycling remains to be done
however I also do it mainly with wood, but also with polyethylene and PET plastic which burns cleanly without inventing anything mixed with wood
I agree that it is a little stupid to spend public money on selective sorting which costs too much
when recycling will be better organized and the empty bottles will be bought at a non-zero price I will sell them!
I think that recovery PET has more value than heating fuel: more efficient recycling remains to be done
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It seems to me that PET is already. Especially for fleeces! But also more and more recycled plastic objects: flower pots, rugs, etc etc ...
On home use: if people were reasonable, I would agree. Except that knowing the behavior (see butts in the street, packaging on the roadsides, etc etc) ... I fear that very quickly we poison the neighbors by burning plastic much less harmless !!!
On the roadsides: we could, if the people were not calves, recover the biomass from the roadsides to anaerobic digestion; the machine exists (a sort of shredder that sucks in a bucket) ... Except that an operator of an anaerobic digestion station recovers so much scum - bottles, cans, fast food packaging - that he will not agree !!! Someone has already calculated the quantity of biomass lost on roadsides or exchangers ??? It's enormous !!!!
On home use: if people were reasonable, I would agree. Except that knowing the behavior (see butts in the street, packaging on the roadsides, etc etc) ... I fear that very quickly we poison the neighbors by burning plastic much less harmless !!!
On the roadsides: we could, if the people were not calves, recover the biomass from the roadsides to anaerobic digestion; the machine exists (a sort of shredder that sucks in a bucket) ... Except that an operator of an anaerobic digestion station recovers so much scum - bottles, cans, fast food packaging - that he will not agree !!! Someone has already calculated the quantity of biomass lost on roadsides or exchangers ??? It's enormous !!!!
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BobFuck wrote:From an ecological point of view it is silly, since to make 1 kg of plastic you need several kg of oil, so it is better to recycle the plastic ...
what is silly is to give zero value to recyclable plastic
if the recycling pro bought the pet bottles at a non-zero price, I would store them and sell them when there is enough to transport them ... and many others would do it too, and we would sell them bottles well clean rinsed and not mixed with anything
unfortunately since the mode of selective sorting the recycling specialist no longer wants to buy anything from individuals, to encourage them to give free to selective sorting
it is the selective sorting which is the ecological nonsense: mix everything in the same garbage truck, to sort then ????
if there was a good business in recycled plastic everyone could earn a little money by cleaning their plastic waste well to give them the maximum value
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Re: Your fuel is in your trash and your water
ECOTECO wrote: .....
Because the biggest item of expenditure in our daily life is domestic hot water and heating, once we have eliminated these items your energy dependence is ridiculous .....
this statement is grotesque.
Item n ° 1 of expenditure in "our daily life" is: housing (rental, or repayment of a loan).
station n ° 2 is: transport (car ...)
unless it is food.
Heating may be number 4 for a certain category of the population.
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Yes ! please put it back in the right order: with a properly insulated house heating is not the biggest expense
and even at my house with an isolated house as at its construction in 1800, the expense is low by being content with low temperature! just dress well
the use of plastic waste remains a thing to study in principle! should we use it or recycle it?
and even at my house with an isolated house as at its construction in 1800, the expense is low by being content with low temperature! just dress well
the use of plastic waste remains a thing to study in principle! should we use it or recycle it?
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Hello,
short-circuit recycling, from the trash to the boiler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYdP6kEtvds
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short-circuit recycling, from the trash to the boiler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYdP6kEtvds
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