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by elephant » 05/06/12, 23:22

I don't see any reason.
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correction on your words




by lig » 06/06/12, 18:58

Hello everyone,
I allow myself to speak on this subject which concerns me, I represent the importer of the product SUPRAWIND and I cannot let you say such remarks.

this product is not based on capacitor technology, nothing to do but nothing to see at all (which I grant you is for the private individual a scam since, the private individual does not pay for reactive energy and its cos phi is = 0,97)
if it was a capacitor there will be a current flowing inside the box, outside in the suprawind box, there is no intensity because the cable length of the product (which should not be cut ) serves as an ohmic resistor, there is only voltage.
It is a case manufactured in South Korea on which the Koreans hold a patent, I specify that this case holds a tuv, a tgm, a RoHS certificate, a residential CE and industrial CE certificate, it has the IP67 standard (no exotherm).
it has existed for 12 years and is present in more than 50 countries around the world hundreds of tests have been carried out abroad with results ranging from 5% to 30% savings.
in france in the ecolia documentation you can see 4 tests carried out over more than a year giving results of 8% to 18%.

the operating principle of this box is based on the theory of superconductivity (which does not mean that it is a superconductor ....) this box allows to align the spin of the electrons (to put all the electrons in the same sense in order to thin the energy (excuse me to use this term for electricity, but that makes it possible to better understand what I mean) and to send by a magnetic wave these electrons in the networks.
it takes an adaptation time for all the network concerned to be optimal, the time that all the electrons are in the same direction, and if you remove the product there is a remanence effect that we can see on the test of the lift pump.

so it is by no means a scam as you write but rather a process that saves money.
I am ready to answer your questions if you have in particular the econology expert.

I do not know if you have looked and read all the documentation of the suprawind box from ecolia, but it is clear that it is not a capacitor and you have tested it in France.

I remain open to your questions in private or here on this forum
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by dedeleco » 06/06/12, 19:58

Hello to you,
Your short explanation, identical to that in your site and on the pdf
the operating principle of this box is based on the theory of superconductivity (which does not mean that it is a superconductor ....) che case allows to align the spin of the electrons (to put all the electrons in the same direction in order to fluidify the energy (excuse me for using this term for electricity, but it helps to better understand what I mean) and send by a magnetic wave these electrons in networks.
it takes an adaptation time for all the network concerned to be optimal, the time that all the electrons are in the same direction, and if you remove the product there is a residual effect that we can see on the test of the lift pump


for a physicist like me, having carried out experiments on superconductors and worked on their theory, for a very long time, among other subjects, your explanation is totally incoherent, aberrant, to sleep upright, and scientifically impossible in physics.

I put you links to basic articles on this complex subject to read and understand carefully (in fact a century of scientific research), before swallowing such explanations to sleep upright.

Your explanations are on the same level as the excess energy patents !!!

You seem to ignore that your sentence:
to align the spin of the electrons (to put all the electrons in the same direction


is scientifically impossible, because in good conductive metals, like copper, it takes gigantic energy (in an inaccessible magnetic field) to polarize all the electrons of a metal by aligning them, since the electrons below the Fermi level , are all with opposite orientations two by two, except at the Fermi level, with slight thermal disorientation.

Read the basics on metals and Fermi level:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_surface
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_surface
http://hep.ph.liv.ac.uk/~hock/Teaching/ ... metals.pdf

http://www.eng.fsu.edu/~dommelen/quantu ... boxbt.html

and the other links of quantum mechanics that I have indicated and all the basic courses in physics from all over the world!

I am flabbergasted that you are copying to sell such false claims, so much that it is hilarious, for anyone with fair, a little knowledge about metals and superconductors.
It's the same level as oil sniffer planes !!

It is impossible to change the resistivity of copper remotely by influence, as you claim, and the fact that the cos (Phi) must be bad, proves that you are selling all stupid capacitors, without knowing it and that you are being ripped off , by lack of the minimum necessary knowledge in physics !!

If you have coherent and clear scientific texts (patents are sometimes very inconsistent, like those of perpetual movements), we will read them, but they should not be inconsistent and in total contradiction with a century of research by hundreds of thousands of scientists and their experiences !!

Since some people complain about wind turbines, which do not give their promises, your hilarious explanations, on this saving machine, throw a deep doubt on your scientific-technical knowledge and all that you sell !!

Finally, given the armada of scams of all kinds, especially those with Spanish banks evaporating the savings of their savers currently, it is no longer possible to gobble up anything !!!
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by dedeleco » 07/06/12, 16:13

Moreover :
It is a case manufactured in South Korea on which the Koreans hold a patent, I specify that this case holds a tuv, a tgm, a RoHS certificate, a residential CE and industrial CE certificate, it has the IP67 standard (no exotherm).
it has existed for 12 years and is present in more than 50 countries around the world


Not found on the internet, except at home in France and nowhere else in the world !!

Weird for
present in more than 50 countries around the world
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by lig » 13/06/12, 18:11

Hello dedeleco,
* sorry to answer you so late.
I would first like to point out to you that all of our real field tests for over a year have brought us results with savings of up to 18% ... this therefore attests that the product at real efficiency.

concerning suprawind it is normal that you do not find this name elsewhere than in France because it is a trade mark dedicated to France, I can privately send you the usual name and the manufacturer of the case after having signed a contract of confidentiality. you will understand that this is important commercially for suprawind. indeed you can very well be a competitor or a competitor little very well fall on this forum.

then concerning the technology of the box, you are based on a commercial brochure, which allows the common of mortals to understand with simple words a principle, it is not technical documentation.
with regard to your skills, I understand that this may concern you.
I suggest to you, since you have real competence in the field of sending you on your personal email address that you will give me in MP a much more technical documentation as well as a powerpoint (all its documents are the work of the manufacturer) that I think will allow you to have a more substantiated opinion on the case if you agree.
I just want to tell you that we have nothing to hide from anyone and that we are open to discuss the subject.

Thank you for your reply
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by dedeleco » 13/06/12, 20:42

Being a retired scientist, you do not risk that I am a competitor.

But, with your answer:
concerning the technology of the box, you are based on a commercial brochure, which allows the common of mortals to understand with simple words a principle, it is not technical documentation.

by, reading your sales brochure, recounting statements to sleep standing up, which caused reactions of doubts and complete rejection, like a scam more, of the majority on this forum, without them having real skills in superconductivity, I have trouble understanding how you can sell this device, which certainly has nothing to do with these explanations for the general public, which make flee, of the same level of aberration, that those with free energy on unit to save money !!!

You can send me clear and consistent scientific explanations in PM, ( not in power point, which, retired, I don't use, but in real scientific articles, in English too), but nothing that you put in your sales brochure will correspond to the reality of your device, because outside of France, even under another brand, I would have found traces of similar scientific and commercial claims, to sleep upright, with references to superconductivity, alignment of spins and long-distance modification of the resistivity of solid copper wires, which if true, if little is such a great discovery that it deserves a Nobel Prize, with immediate disclosure. !!!

I think I'm going to discover monumental mistakes of salespeople, who understand nothing, to the point of telling nonsense.
The brochures, even those sold abroad, certainly do not say anything about what you are saying in France !!

You believe in the illusion of secrecy, perhaps by telling aberrations, but if this device is really unique, and therefore revolutionary, as you claim, reducing the resistivity of copper wires ("in order to fluidify the energy") , there is no real protection, because with your aberrant sentences you attract attention, and, without passing over a forum, just buy to know how it works, by analysis by a real scientific laboratory (if it is not a simple capacity, as indicated by the influence of cos (phi)).

The others on the forum, have been less conciliatory, sending you around like a scam, and therefore your aberrant sales brochure, scares away all the specialists in this field, and so, in fact, you only target those ignorant, as for a scam.
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Re: correction on your words




by Vermax » 14/06/12, 10:00

lig wrote:this product is not based on capacitor technology, nothing to do but nothing to see at all (which I grant you is for the private individual a scam since, the private individual does not pay for reactive energy and its cos phi is = 0,97)
if it was a capacitor there will be a current flowing inside the case


@dedeleco: In all objectivity, it seems to me that you did not quite understand what the importer in France said. He rightly says that the SupraWind box does not act on the cos (phi) and is therefore not a capacitor. He says that this type of box is useless for the individual since it does not pay for reactive energy. He even goes so far as to say that those who sell this type of case are crooks. I grant you, he did not respect the precepts of our mentor Nicolas Boileau:

What is well conceived is clearly stated
And the words to say it come easily.


But can we blame him? He doesn't pretend to be a poet ...
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by HUGOT » 27/07/12, 10:31

Hello,

I have just read several articles on these famous "energy saving" boxes and in particular all your debate about this model proposed by Ecolia.
On archive storage buildings comprising 3 large air handling units and numerous offices over an area of ​​around 10 m², I seek to quantify the savings achievable (or not) with such a device.
If not, do you see a more interesting solution?

Good day to all.
Hugo
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