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Re: Volkswagate yes but ... and the other automakers?




by Christophe » 19/05/17, 18:12

Numbers, numbers ...

An English company has just published the results of a study revealing the nitrogen oxide emissions of 600 current vehicles. The results of Diesel vehicles are not the best ...

Many mayors around the world want their city's air quality to be beyond reproach. Therefore, they try at all costs to educate their fellow citizens. Today, to get there, they can count on the results of the latest study to date by the independent company Emissions Analytics. It has just published a ranking of nearly 600 vehicles tested in real conditions: http://fr.equaindex.com/indice-equa-qualite-de-lair/

From A to H

Concretely, the tests carried out by Emissions Analytics mainly concerned the release of NOx (nitrogen oxide) and not CO2, the vehicle's approval criteria to date. The result ? Some manufacturers are doing much better than others. Of the 333 Diesel models tested, only fifteen obtained the maximum score. All are German brands! And, good surprise, the Volkswagen group classifies eleven of its models there. The note, in question, is in the form of a letter taken up on a scale going from A to H. The French manufacturers, for their part, are less well rated. Indeed, the best note is to put on the account of PSA who manages to get a D for his Peugeot 308 2.0 (2015), Citroën C4 Cactus 1.6 (2014) and DS5 1.6 (2014). Renault, for its part, only reaches an F rating for its Captur 1.5 (2013). Concretely, this means that its model exceeds 6 to 8 times the limit of the Euro 6 standard in force. Gulp ...

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Source: https://www.moniteurautomobile.be/actu- ... ytics.html
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Re: Volkswagate yes but ... and the other automakers?




by Did67 » 19/05/17, 18:31

Note:

a) it is indeed g / km which are used as a base (and not rates in the gases emitted, which is misleading, the large ones emitting more volumes of gas than the small ones)

b) by "going up" on the site, tab "Equa", we also have the actual consumption, the CO² or CO emissions, etc ...

For my C1, the actual consumption is a bit harsh. I regularly do better. No doubt more city in "real conditions" (which, for this model, is not shocking!). Or a more "speed" driving?

Too bad, I did not find the method used (except that it is a question of a mobile device). But the conditions under which we make the measurements: roads, highways, city and how we ensure the equality of the test conditions while being in real conditions would have interested me!

PS: This post (I mean yours) deserves a better "ad" than being in the Volkswagen scandal. Sometimes readers would really like to choose their future vehicle depending on what it will pollute (and no longer have the argument: "anyway, the data is rigged!")
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Re: Volkswagate yes but ... and the other automakers?




by Christophe » 03/10/17, 12:09

The solution to the Volkswagate: : Cheesy:

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by chatelot16 » 04/10/17, 13:04

the problem is that it only classifies recent and new cars

figures are still missing to compare with vintage cars

when we compare with old cars we only compare the old standards with the current standards, which means nothing since the old were far better than the standards of the time, and that the current only meet the standards by cheating ... and that a lot of recent cars have kakalitic pots that completely mess up and that the owner does not have the financial means to have them repaired correctly

as long as there is not a series of measurements on a large number of vehicles of various ages and in real use we will understand nothing

for a long time we only talked about polluting product rate without counting the quantity produced, which ridiculously favored large cars ... now it's already progress to consider g / km ... but it's not enough

consider the g / years of each owner!
who pollutes the most?
1) one who has an old car but drives very few km because he mainly uses public transport
2) the one who has a modern car which pollutes 3 times less per km but which makes 100 times more km?

the current regulatory harassment will prohibit those who mainly use public transport from occasionally using their old car

Another comparison is one who has a home away from work and drives a lot of miles in a modern car ... or one who keeps his old car but prefers to invest his money in accommodation close to his work to leave the car in the garage. .. the 2nd solution and disadvantages while it seems to me the best

it is wasteful to force people who drive very little to waste their money in modern cars that are too expensive ... and have too short a lifespan
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by moinsdewatt » 10/01/18, 21:14

Ford sued for handling tests on its trucks

Reuters 10 / 01 / 2018

A US law firm filed a lawsuit against Ford Wednesday accusing the automaker of manipulating the emissions tests of its F-250 and F-350 Super Duty pickups.

Ford manipulated its engines so that they pass the tests when in reality they emit twice as much as the legal limits imposed in normal driving, according to the complaint of the cabinet Hagens Berman.

The lawsuit, filed with a Michigan district court, also cites German equipment maker Bosch.

The same law firm last year sued General Motors, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and engine manufacturer Cummins for the same reasons.

Ford did not react immediately, but Bosch issued a statement saying it remains under investigation and that it takes accusations of tampering with diesel engine software "very seriously".

The German equipment manufacturer agreed last year to pay US $ 327,5 million (274 million euros) to American owners of Volkswagen vehicles, admitting to having played a role in installing fake software.

The discovery in 2015 in the United States of the fraud of Volkswagen triggered the Dieselgate scandal which cost the German manufacturer some 30 billion dollars.

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Re: Volkswagate yes but ... and the other automakers?




by Leo Maximus » 29/01/18, 18:40

Volkswagen admitted that the experiment to test the effect of exhaust fumes on human monkeys and guinea pigs was a mistake:

https://www.ouest-france.fr/economie/en ... es-5531725

http://www.lemonde.fr/pollution/article ... 52666.html

The identity of the "25 healthy young adults" who served as human guinea pigs is unknown.
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Re: Volkswagate yes but ... and the other automakers?




by moinsdewatt » 19/02/18, 21:15

Daimler's turn:

Daimler accused of rigging diesel vehicles to pass emissions test

Posted on 18/02/2018 Reuters news

The American investigators in charge of Daimler discovered that the cars of the German manufacturer were equipped with software which could have helped them to pass the tests on pollutant emissions of the diesel engines, reports Sunday the Bild am Sonntag.


Investigations have multiplied on diesel engines since Volkswagen recognized in 2015 that it had installed secret software on 580.000 vehicles in the United States allowing them to pass emission tests while emitting in real conditions up to 40 times the authorized thresholds of 'nitrogen oxides. Daimler, owner of the Mercedes brand, said investigations into him in the United States and Germany could lead to large fines and massive vehicle recalls.

Confidential documents show that U.S. investigators have discovered several software features that allow Daimler vehicles to pass emission tests, according to Bild am Sonntag. One of these functions cuts the emission reduction system after 26 km of driving. Another allows the emission reduction system to know, via the car's behavior in terms of speed and acceleration, whether a test is in progress.

Bild am Sonntag also cites emails from Daimler engineers in which they question the legality of these devices.

A spokesperson for Daimler declined to comment on the contents of those documents. He said the German automaker is fully cooperating with US authorities and adhering to a principle of strict confidentiality agreed with the Justice Department. "The authorities are aware of these documents and no complaint has been filed," said the spokesperson. "The documents in Bild's hands were obviously selectively released in order to harm Daimler and its 290.000 employees."


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Re: Volkswagate yes but ... and the other automakers?




by Christophe » 19/02/18, 21:40

Again and again!!!

The more there are, the more I was right to open it by opening this topic !!! : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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