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the taxis protest against uberpop ... but I have the impression that they do not understand anything ... they are too taxed ... they are not only taxed I would even say that they are racked by condition ... so are too expensive
against whom should he complain? against uber pop which avoids racketeering, or against the state which rackets them?
if they complain about unfair competition they show the will to make users pay the maximum ... nobody will support them in this way
if on the contrary they complained about the state which taxes them too much they would be supported by the whole population who would be happy to have taxis less taxed therefore cheaper
the good organization of transport is of great ecological importance ... the pooling of means of transport by carpooling uber pop or other is a good thing ... taxis must benefit from the same thing
the state made taxi pay overpriced licenses: only one solution to reimburse these stupid license to put the taxi on a par!
public transport is the ecological future of transport ... taxis are the essential complement to public transport!
by taxing the taxi excessively the state excluded them from any future solution ... the taxis must complain to the state that taxes them, not to those who find a solution to get by
I did not find in which section to put it, I let the moderators move it to the right place
Uber, green transportation taxi why are so bad?
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Well done, I also think they are having a bad fight !!
Let them take care of the welcome, we are not animals however, many lack friendliness.
getting into a taxi is sure of racketeering! Personally, I've been boycotting them for a long time.
Let them take care of the welcome, we are not animals however, many lack friendliness.
getting into a taxi is sure of racketeering! Personally, I've been boycotting them for a long time.
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Down the talkers and ceiling fans!
Down the talkers and ceiling fans!
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I wanted to launch a topic on the subject Uber!
I find the idea, basic, excellent econologically speaking: it is of "carsharing version web 2.0": as much to fill the car as possible! I recall that in France the average vehicle occupancy rate is around 1.4 passengers (on at least 4 seats, often more)!
Once again the economy, taxation, human greed ... in short, the "economic system" prevail over ecology!
Today I heard on the radio that France was planning to block Uber: I find it scandalous on the part of a government that calls itself "socialist"!
ps: chatelot16, you would not like to become a contributor for https://www.econologie.info ? Because this is precisely the kind of debate that deserves a little news ...
reps: taxi is maybe a difficult job but don't kid yourself and don't believe their whining because if there are still so many, it's good that there is a lot of money to be made! Few Parisian taxis do not drive large German sedans under 3 or 4 years of age ...
I find the idea, basic, excellent econologically speaking: it is of "carsharing version web 2.0": as much to fill the car as possible! I recall that in France the average vehicle occupancy rate is around 1.4 passengers (on at least 4 seats, often more)!
Once again the economy, taxation, human greed ... in short, the "economic system" prevail over ecology!
Today I heard on the radio that France was planning to block Uber: I find it scandalous on the part of a government that calls itself "socialist"!
ps: chatelot16, you would not like to become a contributor for https://www.econologie.info ? Because this is precisely the kind of debate that deserves a little news ...
reps: taxi is maybe a difficult job but don't kid yourself and don't believe their whining because if there are still so many, it's good that there is a lot of money to be made! Few Parisian taxis do not drive large German sedans under 3 or 4 years of age ...
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by taxing the taxi excessively we make it a luxury transport, so it is normal that they have luxury cars!
we can't imagine paying the taxi fare with a twingo or a shabby electric car
and this is all the current error
error that uber pop or the covoituarge is trying to correct ... so should we oppose uber pop? should we not rather criticize the state which does not know how to manage official taxis?
the real taxi would certainly not be opposed to being clearly given a mission of ecological transport complementary to public transport ... instead of having to pay licenses at an exorbitant price and not having the corresponding right to earn a living
the current taxi system is bad ... it needs to be improved but without spoiling those who have paid ... maybe the state must reimburse the current license since it is no longer useful ... that anyone with a smartphone and a gps is as efficient as a taxi
if the taxis leave hardly against the new transport, nobody will support them ... if they demandenht the refund of license become obsolete to be able to offer the same tariff as those which are not taxed it will be supported by everyone!
zero-tax taxis to put them on par with any car!
we can't imagine paying the taxi fare with a twingo or a shabby electric car
and this is all the current error
error that uber pop or the covoituarge is trying to correct ... so should we oppose uber pop? should we not rather criticize the state which does not know how to manage official taxis?
the real taxi would certainly not be opposed to being clearly given a mission of ecological transport complementary to public transport ... instead of having to pay licenses at an exorbitant price and not having the corresponding right to earn a living
the current taxi system is bad ... it needs to be improved but without spoiling those who have paid ... maybe the state must reimburse the current license since it is no longer useful ... that anyone with a smartphone and a gps is as efficient as a taxi
if the taxis leave hardly against the new transport, nobody will support them ... if they demandenht the refund of license become obsolete to be able to offer the same tariff as those which are not taxed it will be supported by everyone!
zero-tax taxis to put them on par with any car!
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Here are some numbers: http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/ ... 3234.html#
So let's do some quick calculations of the annual turnover turnover and take the most "unfavorable" case for UBER:
a) € 100m for 10 uberpop = € 000 in annual turnover per uberpop
b) € 2900 million for 17 taxis = € 000 in turnover per taxi!
A taxi therefore has 17 times more turnover than an Uberpop ... And they dare to speak of unfair competition ??? They may well pay a few taxes ... I think everything is said no?
Soon when we carpool with our neighbor we will be taxed? Is that what taxis and the government ("socialo") want?
A sector of 3 billion euros
No one can quantify even the number of players and drivers on the market. The latest figures from INSEE date from 2011.
According to sources, there are 2 to 000 independent drivers working for private hire companies, alongside the 6 taxis listed in Ile-de-France. Some refer to the number of 500 drivers including UberPop drivers. As for the business volume of the sector, all actors combined, it would be around 17 billion euros, judges an observer. VTC alone represent 700 to 10 million euros in turnover.
The only certainty, according to INSEE, the turnover of this sector as a whole, taxis and VTC combined, increased by 10% between 2010 and 2015. Market growth is on the VTC side. Moreover, VTC companies are not struggling today to find capital to finance their development. Conversely, "the banks are asking for more guarantees to lend for the purchase of a taxi license," notes Didier Hogrel.
So let's do some quick calculations of the annual turnover turnover and take the most "unfavorable" case for UBER:
a) € 100m for 10 uberpop = € 000 in annual turnover per uberpop
b) € 2900 million for 17 taxis = € 000 in turnover per taxi!
A taxi therefore has 17 times more turnover than an Uberpop ... And they dare to speak of unfair competition ??? They may well pay a few taxes ... I think everything is said no?
Soon when we carpool with our neighbor we will be taxed? Is that what taxis and the government ("socialo") want?
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I just wrote an article on .info: https://www.econologie.info/uber-uberpop ... parisiens/
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17 times more turnover ... well no I don't like sms signs and abbreviations ... 17 times more turnover ... and turnover is not profit
for a black worker the turnover is the profit ... for a taxi as a rule the turnover is amputated by numerous charges before being a profit
the problem in france is above all the fixed charges, not even proportional to the turnover: you have to pay a fixed sum even if you don't earn enough ... it pushes the customer to pay dearly to be sure to earn a little ... it's a bit of a racketeer ... a little mafia ...
a healthy organization of trade is low tax easily suportable ... the current taxi system is not healthy, I find it too taxed therefore rather of the mafia type
so that the taxis fight against the state which taxes them and everyone will support them ... if on the contrary they fight to racket also those which are not it nobody will follow
for a black worker the turnover is the profit ... for a taxi as a rule the turnover is amputated by numerous charges before being a profit
the problem in france is above all the fixed charges, not even proportional to the turnover: you have to pay a fixed sum even if you don't earn enough ... it pushes the customer to pay dearly to be sure to earn a little ... it's a bit of a racketeer ... a little mafia ...
a healthy organization of trade is low tax easily suportable ... the current taxi system is not healthy, I find it too taxed therefore rather of the mafia type
so that the taxis fight against the state which taxes them and everyone will support them ... if on the contrary they fight to racket also those which are not it nobody will follow
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chatelot16 wrote:17 times more turnover ... well no I don't like sms signs and abbreviations ... 17 times more turnover ... and turnover is not profit
Sorry, I corrected!
chatelot16 wrote:for a black worker the turnover is the profit ... for a taxi as a rule the turnover is amputated by numerous charges before being a profit
Turnover = black profit ????
Finally it is completely false!
Even a black worker can have charges (rare are those who really have none)! To take the example of Uber again: do you think Uberpop cars, insurance and petrol are free ??? If yes then yes they have no charges ... otherwise they have ...
So do not confuse the actual charges (the same for all ... no, they are higher for the black worker since they are not tax exempt!) And social and fiscal charges (obviously non-existent in black)!
chatelot16 wrote:a healthy organization of trade is low tax easily suportable ... the current taxi system is not healthy, I find it too taxed therefore rather of the mafia type
Exact! It is not by taxing that we revive the economy ...
As for low taxes: we call them "tax havens" and mafia governments as you call them make "war" on them ...
chatelot16 wrote:so that the taxis fight against the state which taxes them and everyone will support them ... if on the contrary they fight to racket also those which are not it nobody will follow
Well I think we are experiencing a new "I am charlie" but version "I am charlot" ... The government will certainly use this case to simply ban Uber ... but it will certainly not reform the charges for taxis! !
They will therefore ban the use of Uber but lots of small Uber will be reborn (Uber will simply rebuild a new company or resell French news to others) ... Do not take the Americans for cons ...
ps: I do not know but I feel that carpooling will be next on the list of these government clowns ... carpooling and asking for a price is also moonlighting ... so https://www.blablacar.fr/ is no more legal than Uber since it promotes undeclared income ...
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