TOP10 2012 the most fuel-efficient cars

Christophe · by **Christophe** » 27/02/12, 16:41

Obviously apart from the Toyota Prius and the Lexus CT200H, which actually have the same engine (and possibly the Auris also equipped with the same windmill ...), they are very small cars ...

It's over there: http://www.challenges.fr/galeries-photo ... moins.html

Gaston · by **Gaston** » 27/02/12, 16:54

It will be necessary that the journalists get used to specify that they speak only cars Thermal ou hybrid.

Otherwise, the first rankings should be:

Peugeot I0n
Citroën CZero
Mitsubishi iMiev
Nissan Leaf
Renault Fluence ZE
Renault Kangoo ZE
Tesla Roadster

: Lol:

Christophe · by **Christophe** » 27/02/12, 17:12

Roooh how he is looking for him!

What about consumption of EP? : Mrgreen:

Grelinette · by **Grelinette** » 27/02/12, 21:42

It is surprising to note that the 5 first cars of the Top10 are diesels.

A few years ago, the diesel engine was blamed for being too polluting. Today it is the heat engine that pollutes the least!

Like what, when we take the trouble to improve something, we get there, and fast enough.

Flytox · by **Flytox** » 27/02/12, 22:23

Grelinette wrote:It is surprising to note that the 5 first cars of the Top10 are diesels.

A few years ago, the diesel engine was blamed for being too polluting. Today it is the heat engine that pollutes the least!

Like what, when we take the trouble to improve something, we get there, and fast enough.

It all depends on what you take into account to say that it pollutes less, they talk to you about CO2 ...... if we spoke particles it is not the diesels that you put in mind. And one in the other I do not think the Diesel is the best choice.

chatelot16 · by **chatelot16** » 27/02/12, 22:26

it is not the 10 top of the less polishing ... but the 10 top of the lowest consomation in liter

and it's already a bit of cheat for diesel, because the heat pepper of hydrocarbon is almost constant at KG but since diesel is heavier than gasoline there is more energy in a liter of diesel than in a liter of gas

then the efficiency of the diesel even if it is not much better than gasoline has maximum power is better at reduced power, so made more economy when rolling slowly

it does not change the doubts we can have about carbon particles in the air

another vehicle forgotten from this ranking, the engine has 4 legs that do not consume gasoline, but that polute anyway ... the crotin remains on the ground longer than the diesel smoked

Leo Maximus · by **Leo Maximus** » 27/02/12, 22:33

Grelinette wrote:It is surprising to note that the 5 first cars of the Top10 are diesels.

A few years ago, the diesel engine was blamed for being too polluting. Today it is the heat engine that pollutes the least!

Like what, when we take the trouble to improve something, we get there, and fast enough.

None of these diesel cars are Euro 6 Diesel standards while the Prius was already at its release in 1997.

Applying the Euro 6 Diesel 2014 standard will sound the end of the Diesel engine.

The 1997 Prius was already largely Euro 6 gasoline standards, standards more stringent than Diesel standards.

Consumption is given in liters in the link, not in energy. It should be noted that Brussels will soon impose compulsory taxation of fuel energy, per kWh, and diesel should cost 20 30% more expensive than gasoline.

Comparison between the first ranked Smart ForTwo and the Lexus CT-200h with the figures given by sprintmonitor:

Smart ForTwo, "city" Diesel given for 3,3 l in mixed consumption:

http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overview/ ... owerunit=2

The average conso is 4,26 l.

Lexus CT-200h, Hybrid Petrol:

http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overview/ ... owerunit=2

The average conso of SP is 5,55 l.

The Smart ForTwo is more economical because if the Duty Free Diesel is more expensive than the SP, it is less taxed at home (0,42 € / l) than petrol (0,60 € / l). On the TTC price of the liter the impact is about 0,22 €.

In terms of energy consumption in kWh is almost the same. Same for CO2 releases.

In terms of pollution, the NOx releases of the Lexus CT-200h are approximately 10 mg / km. Those of a modern Diesel are from 20 to 30 times superior. We do not talk about it, moreover there is no regulation on this subject in France, just projects.

In the 10 2011 / 2012 Top of the polluted cars of the German Association Transport and Environment, the hybrid cars of Toyota / Lexus and Honda are ranked first. The Smart ForTwo has disappeared from the rankings:

http://www.vcd.org/auli_2011_2012.html

bamboo · by **bamboo** » 28/02/12, 10:00

Leo Maximus wrote:It should be noted that Brussels will soon impose the compulsory taxation of fuels on energy, per kWh [...]

Oh, that's good news!
It's much more logical!

Christophe · by **Christophe** » 28/02/12, 10:18

You're right, but you also know what the average driver looks like: the bill at the pump ... so the mediocre journalists simply stay in this perspective ...

Fuel is not charged per kilogram or kilowatt hour, but is not charged in the ...

The TIC / TIPP is fixed per hectolitre and not per MWh ...

chatelot16 · by **chatelot16** » 28/02/12, 11:46

It does not matter which unit of sales to the pump, which must remain the liter, when the price has the energy will be the same between the gasoline and the diesel diesel will be more expensive

it will not completely extinguish the advantage of diesel ... the good diesel will always have a better performance than gasoline ... but some bad diesel will become irrelevant

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