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by dedeleco » 08/06/12, 19:25

nlc wrote:Super dede, go and pick up your cherries. Or try to find the purest water you can find, place it between two electrodes, and see if you can apply - say, barely 2V - to see if you can. Then we talk about it again.


and yet this is commonly done, on super-powerful machines, at much more volts on very pure water, for only a very short time less than 100 nanoseconds !!!

But nlc refuses to read and research my past links, nor to learn knowledge on the internet !!!

And I'm going to pick up my cherries and make them so sweet they are ripe on the tree !!!
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by nlc » 08/06/12, 19:36

dedeleco wrote:and yet this is commonly done, on super-powerful machines, at much more volts on very pure water, for only a very short time less than 100 nanoseconds !!!


This is the principle of the water gun, the goal is that the "breakdown" is done through the water.

But that's not the question, the question is to be able to maintain a high voltage between 2 electrodes without breakdown, and without current flow (otherwise not possible to maintain the voltage, because current flows which causes the electrolysis of the water).

dedeleco wrote:But nlc refuses to read and research my past links, nor to learn knowledge on the internet !!!


But you refuse to understand that you mix everything

dedeleco wrote:And I'm going to pick up my cherries and make them so sweet they are ripe on the tree !!!

good appetite, but beware of indigestion
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by dedeleco » 08/06/12, 20:21

Enter many other scientific articles a summary course to read:
with water capacitor

http://pps.coe.kumamoto-u.ac.jp/streami ... ystem1.htm


http://www.pupman.com/listarchives/1998 ... 00927.html

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~olaf/hho/Opm ... roject.pdf

http://www.waterfuelconverters.com/Sand ... sData.html

and I will not pay to have the articles published to Sandia !!

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1937PhRv...51..680T
It's old :
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v51/i8/p680_1


and finally an article of very serious military studies of the Cold War with 35KV / mm fig 2-1
to read with great care:
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http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA335128


According to the equation, a capacitor of plates spaced 12.5 millimeters apart can have "voltage breakdown" induced at a magnitude of ~199 kilovolts given the following. The pulse width should be an average of .6 microseconds, which is a frequency of 1.667 megahertz. The latter values ​​are averages; please note that tolerance should be considered due to the +/- aspect of the main equation.


To find what nlc is not looking for, I swallowed a good kilo of my own organic cherries sold at 10 € per kilo elsewhere !!
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by nlc » 08/06/12, 20:27

According to your own quotes:


According to the equation, a capacitor of plates spaced 12.5 millimeters apart can have "voltage breakdown" induced at a magnitude of ~ 199 kilovolts given the following. The pulse width shouldnt be an average of .6 microseconds, which is a frequency of 1.667 megahertz. The latter values ​​are averages; please note that tolerance should be considered due to the +/- aspect of the main equation.


Many conditional, on a simple equation in addition.

Dedeleco, I have my slap on your interventions, bye!
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by dedeleco » 08/06/12, 20:32

And since the links disappear, I put this heavy US military secret pdf on econology:

high breakdown voltage of water, more than 30KV / mm:

https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... qm6RUU.pdf

And for a while I swallow even more delicious cherries !!

and nlc refuses to read and learn the reality, 80 years old, which has no conditional, by applying fairly short pulses !!
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by nlc » 08/06/12, 20:46

BUT GOOD BLOOD YOU'RE INFLATABLE : Evil: : Evil: : Evil: : Evil:

It is obvious that the water pure is an excellent insulator, no one disputes that :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

But did you try to put theory into practice instead of pissing on endless links on a point that no one disputes !?

To you alone you return this forum undrinkable, like a chick I put my finger back in the gear : Evil:

Come on, it's over :!:
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by dedeleco » 08/06/12, 21:10

But did you try to put theory into practice


But certainly, it's not a theory at all, but an experimental practice of more than 80 years, but not to be done like nlc by not reading anything, which also seeks to reinvent what is well known, and on the contrary by reading all the in-depth studies that google "pisses by the thousands ", to avoid redoing badly what others have done thoroughly with great care before me for over 80 years !!

First, we have to thoroughly purify the water, a very very serious, careful and difficult job, by still reading thousands of studies "pissed" by google !!, to avoid wasting time by redoing what others have done before over more than a century, as nlc is trying to redo !!!

Instead of pissing on old works, nlc had better respect them, read them, understand them, assimilate experimental reality, by ceasing to despise the theories which only summarize tens of thousands of studies before , and which avoid completely unnecessary tests, given the lack of basic knowledge of nlc !!

But if nlc can make pulses of less than 0,1 microseconds (which requires care, so as not to have a strong tail which it slaps at more than 0,1 microsecond, pulses, which I have also done in the past) , it will easily verify the absence of breakdown.


like a dick I put my finger back in the gear


nlc got his fingers caught in the gear of his electric bike !!

And I still swallowed my cherries !!
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by nlc » 08/06/12, 21:24

dedeleco wrote:First, we have to thoroughly purify the water, a very very serious, careful and difficult job, by still reading thousands of studies "pissed" by google !!, to avoid wasting time by redoing what others have done before over more than a century, as nlc is trying to redo !!!


So do you think meyer did this wonder then?
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by nlc » 08/06/12, 21:39

dedeleco wrote:nlc got his fingers caught in the gear of his electric bike !!


Why do you always communicate in the 3rd person? Are you still trying to take the whole world as a witness?

nlc wrote:So do you think meyer did this wonder then?


And he also managed the prodigy of electrolyzing water with a yield greater than 1, doing better than Faraday's law?
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by elephant » 08/06/12, 22:51

Meyer has always claimed to work with tap water. It is only by acquiring consciousness that certain experimenters use ditilled or deionized water.

On the other hand, in terms of nano-seconds, we go far and far: the limit frequency of the 555, recommended by Meyer, is around 500 kHz.
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