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Re: The hydrogen car RE: the future?




by moinsdewatt » 12/09/20, 22:40

French company Plastic Omnium will equip heavy vehicles running on hydrogen with tanks

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The supplier Plastic Omnium will develop and produce hydrogen storage systems for the Dutch heavy truck manufacturer VDL.

After the buses, the heavy goods vehicles. Plastic Omnium continues its offensive in hydrogen with the announcement, Friday 11 September, of obtaining a new contract to develop and produce hydrogen storage systems for the Dutch heavy truck manufacturer VDL. By 2021, the automotive supplier said in a statement that it will provide a complete system of seven tanks, storing 40 kilos of hydrogen at 350 bars. A contract that is part of the European H2HAUL project, which works to reduce emissions in road transport.

This European project has a total of 15 partners, including the Dutch group VDL, which will supply 4 of the 16 trucks of this initiative in 2021. "All the trucks of the H2HAUL project will travel several million kilometers to demonstrate the technical and economic rationality of the hydrogen in the field of long-distance transport, which could lead to the production of significant volumes of hydrogen trucks in Europe ", highlights the French group Plastic Omnium.


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Re: The hydrogen car RE: the future?




by moinsdewatt » 19/01/21, 08:41

Hydrogen taxis: Hype buys a historic Parisian company

AFP • 19 / 01 / 2021

The hydrogen taxi company Hype announced on Tuesday the acquisition of a Parisian incumbent operator, the Slota group, thanks to a fundraising of 80 million euros.

"The fleet of 600 diesel vehicles operated today by Slota will be gradually replaced by Toyota Mirai - fuel cell sedans - and will be operated by Hype," the group said in a statement.

HysetCo, the company founded by hydrogen pioneers and which oversees Hype, has raised 80 million euros from RGreen Invest, Mirova, RAISE Impact and Eiffel Investment Group funds.

Air Liquide, already a partner of HysetCo and producer of hydrogen, has strengthened its commitments, bringing investments in HysetCo to 100 million euros.

With this "world's largest fleet of hydrogen taxis", Hype "seeks to prove that the hydrogen ecosystem makes sense," Loïc Voisin, president of HysetCo, told AFP.

The company had managed a hundred taxis since its creation in 2015. It is now entering a phase of "industrialization" with the acquisition of "one of the major players in the Parisian taxi", Slota, founded in 1932, and passed under control of the Naxicap fund in 2012.

The Hype service has been discontinued due to the pandemic. Its return to the streets will be "depending on the pace of economic activity recovery", with the idea of ​​soon deploying a dedicated application, said Loïc Voisin.

This fundraising will also allow the construction of new charging stations: to the four existing ones will be added two new ones with the support of public funds, on a site of the City of Paris Porte de Saint-Cloud, and at Slota at Porte de la Chapelle, with an electrolyser that will produce hydrogen.

HysetCo plans to operate around twenty hydrogen stations by the end of 2024, which could be opened to motorists potentially attracted by this low-emission energy and allowing great autonomy.

Will the hydrogen in taxis be "gray", obtained from fossil fuels, or "green", produced by electrolysis? "Our goal is to eventually use green or certified low carbon hydrogen", said Loïc Voisin.

Toyota, which has just launched its second generation of Mirai, is also a shareholder in HysetCo, alongside Caisse des Dépôts, the energy group Idex and the Kouros fund.

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Re: The hydrogen car RE: the future?




by Leo Maximus » 21/01/21, 17:06

Diesel taxis already run on "gray" hydrogen, which is used for the desulphurization of diesel fuel in refineries.

Air Liquide produces 5 billion Nm3 of "gray" hydrogen per year for the desulphurization of diesel fuel. If this hydrogen were used directly in cars with PAC H2, there would be enough to drive a dozen million and eliminate from the circulation a dozen million petroleum cars, polluting and emitting CO2.
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Re: The hydrogen car RE: the future?




by ENERC » 21/01/21, 19:39

Leo Maximus wrote:Diesel taxis already run on "gray" hydrogen, which is used for the desulphurization of diesel fuel in refineries.

Air Liquide produces 5 billion Nm3 of "gray" hydrogen per year for the desulphurization of diesel fuel. If this hydrogen were used directly in cars with PAC H2, there would be enough to drive a dozen million and eliminate from the circulation a dozen million petroleum cars, polluting and emitting CO2.

Your figure of 12 million is a bit optimistic, but the order of magnitude is pretty good:
I redid the calculation:
- 5 billion Nm3 of hydrogen, that's 500 million tonnes
- one tonne of gray H2 is 10 tonnes of CO2,
- the 5 billion Nm3 of hydrogen therefore generate 5 billion tonnes of CO2 (just to remove sulfur from diesel - damn it)
- I divide by 3 to have a liter of diesel, i.e. 1,6 billion liters
- or 27 billion km at 6L per 100
- or 2,1 million cars at 13 km per year.

Another way to calculate:
- a hydrogen car consumes 1,2 kg of H2 per 100.
- that's 41 billion km
- or 3,2 million cars at 13 km / year

It is enormous. I was far from thinking that the desulphurization of diesel was so polluting. Thank you for raising this point : Cheesy:
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Re: The hydrogen car RE: the future?




by Leo Maximus » 21/01/21, 22:32

ENERC wrote:... - 5 billion Nm3 of hydrogen is 500 million tons ...

The mass of hydrogen is 0,090 kilograms per Nm3.

So 5 billion Nm3 of hydrogen is 450000 tonnes, not 500 million tonnes.

The consumption of Hype Parisian taxis is 0,8 kg / 100 km in the urban cycle, a figure given by Hype and Air Liquide.

Global hydrogen production is 100 million tonnes per year. Almost half is used for gas oil desulphurization.

The production of hydrogen by Air Liquide would make it possible to run 10 million cars like the Hype taxis that only emit water and to eliminate 10 million petroleum cars emitting CO2, NOx and various pollutants:
https://energies.airliquide.com/fr/ener ... ene-propre

The oil lobby sees no advantage ... : Lol:
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Re: The hydrogen car RE: the future?




by Leo Maximus » 22/01/21, 10:50

Air Liquide figures:

The 14 billion m3 of H2 produced each year, mainly for the desulphurization of diesel, would make it possible to run 10 million H2 cars.

The 14 billion m3 of H2 have a mass of 1,26 billion kg (1,26 million tonnes)

With 0,8 kg per 100 km (figure given by Air Liquide and Hype), the 10 million H2 cars can travel 1,58 billion times 100 km or 158 billion km. The annual mileage of each car is 15800 km.

As the global production of hydrogen is 100 million tonnes and Air Liquide's is 1,26 million tonnes, the number of H80 cars can be multiplied by 2, which gives 800 million.
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Re: The hydrogen car RE: the future?




by Leo Maximus » 24/01/21, 10:00

The firefighters of La Manche transported by hydrogen!

At 1:20, test fire of a hydrogen car:

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Re: The hydrogen car RE: the future?




by phil59 » 24/01/21, 21:01

The hydrogen car also means that the oil group can continue to supply you with fuel.

For wind and photovoltaic production surpluses, why not produce hydrogen, as long as we do not know how to store energy at a lower cost.
But it must remain marginal.
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Re: The hydrogen car RE: the future?




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 24/01/21, 21:04

phil59 wrote:The hydrogen car also means that the oil group can continue to supply you with fuel.

For wind and photovoltaic production surpluses, why not produce hydrogen, as long as we do not know how to store energy at a lower cost.
But it must remain marginal.

To produce hydrogen, we use natural gas (among others), so fossils (or not since there is bio methane) ... Why not directly promote the car using natural gas ???
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Re: The hydrogen car RE: the future?




by Leo Maximus » 28/01/21, 19:52

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:... Why not directly promote the natural gas car ???

Link : https://www.gaz-mobilite.fr/dossiers/bu ... co-marche/
The disadvantage is the volume occupied by the tank. In the case of a car, it takes half of the trunk.

Japanese taxis had been running on CNG since the 60s (mainly Toyota Crowns). You had to refuel twice a day. They gradually switched to LPG.
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