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by sen-no-sen » 28/03/15, 22:29

When there is no more pilot on the plane

The tragedy of the GermanWings Airbus A320, which has already prompted several companies to reconsider the procedures for accessing the cockpit of their aircraft, raises the question of the behavior of pilots, that is to say the human factor, in air accidents. This crash also raises questions about the prospect - albeit a distant one - of seeing unmanned aircraft flying with passengers on board. Their trajectory would be programmed and supervised from the ground. Clearly, they would be transport drones.

This horizon can be considered very plausible. In the military field, the European combat drone demonstrator Neuron produced by the Dassault group openly foreshadows an alternative to piloted fighter planes. In Les Drones Aériens (Cepaduès editions), Lionel Chauprade talks about the AirMule, a kind of large drone (1,4 tonnes) fitted with a huge turbine, produced by Urban Aeronautics Ltd, an Israeli company. It is intended for the transport of troops, more particularly for the evacuation of the wounded.

In the civil sector, the flight of transport drones is planned for 2050 (which leaves a reasonable time for the Air-France SNPL to file a strike notice ...). "The hypothesis is in any case realistic", estimates Michel Polacco in his book Drones, the aviation of tomorrow? (Privat) which recalls that the movement is engaged. "After the current generation of civil aircraft, the journalist underlines, a single pilot will remain responsible for ensuring the proper functioning of the systems and will be able to take initiatives or even hold the stick." Onera (National Office for Aerospace Studies and Research) has been working for several years, as part of a project initiated by the European Commission, on a small unmanned airplane-taxi project. With a wingspan of 12 meters and a length of 8 meters, the unmanned aircraft of the PPlane project (for Personal plane) could carry two to four passengers several hundred kilometers thanks to its six electric motors. Its flight altitude would be between 2 and 000 meters.
Before buckling up and getting carried away by a drone, many obstacles will have to be overcome. And not the least. These refer to technical questions (ensuring the link in all circumstances with the base despite the foreseeable shortage of radio frequencies, automatically dealing with any malfunction or unforeseen), organizational (ensuring that these manned flying drones are able to avoid by their own means the risk of collision by developing a largely automated air traffic control) but also psychological. Whatever the relevance of the findings highlighting the responsibility of the human factor in air disasters, accepting to embark on an aircraft whose pilots do not commit their lives at the same time as that of passengers is a perspective that must be taken into account. admit that it is not self-evident. Not to mention that the recent wave of resignations of drone pilots within the US Army suggests that those who remotely control these flying machines may also be subject to stress or even depression. However, mentalities are changing. In ten years, the autonomous car will probably be a reality, which should make things happen. And then, all other things being equal, what public transport user 30 years ago would have happily planned to board a metro train without a driver?

http://drones.blog.lemonde.fr/2015/03/28/lorsquil-ny-aura-plus-de-pilote-dans-lavion/

European research centers, universities and industrialists are studying the issue of air transport automation. They chose to analyze together the strengths and weaknesses of an unmanned on-board system to determine what level of automation could be achieved in the future. ONERA coordinates this approach carried out within the framework of the European IFATS project.


http://www.onera.fr/fr/le-saviez-vous/des-avions-sans-pilote
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by chatelot16 » 29/03/15, 12:22

there is a difference between a metro and an airplane ... if an automatic metro breaks down, it stops and we have time to pick up the passenger by another means

if an airplane is broken down for the automatic system, a pilot on site is needed who can quickly find a solution: there are many more cases where the pilot saves are airplane after a breakdown ... suicide cases are negligible!

another difference between metro and plane: the rail is entirely owned by the same company: no foreign vehicle runs there

in aviation there is a multitude of planes which divides the sky: a company which would like to automate its planes would not have the sky entirely for it: it would be necessary to take into account the others

and the weather?
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by Ahmed » 31/03/15, 19:10

Chatelot, you write:
a company which would like to automate its planes would not have the sky entirely for it: it would be necessary to take into account the others

On the contrary, it is a magnificent argument in favor of automation: competition between the various companies is very fierce and if the biggest manage to impose this development, as they are the only ones able to invest in a system that is necessarily very expensive, they could easily remove weaker companies from the market.
In doing so, they would benefit from both an annuity effect (resulting from an oligopoly) and a lower user cost, since it eliminates the salaries of pilots!
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by sen-no-sen » 31/03/15, 20:41

Very just, the effect of the red queen forces small companies unable to adapt will disappear, or will be phagocytosed by the larger ones, we find the notion of selection K and selection r.

Another question, and the flight attendants in all this?
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by Ahmed » 31/03/15, 20:53

Virtual hostesses would do the trick! 8)
Do not forget a vending machine (paying) for drinks, meals and various gadgets ...
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by chatelot16 » 31/03/15, 22:29

the sky is not yet the property of the airline companies, even the largest ... you arrive at an airport with any plane you have the right to land ... by submitting to the orders of the tower of control

even if you want to make automated flights you will have to continue to manage ordinary flights which will not disappear anytime soon

private planes are not negligible at all! private does not mean nothing at all small plane ... it often means private jet, good airport customer
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by sen-no-sen » 01/04/15, 09:37

It's weird, it looks like there is an invisible hand that creates subjects! : Mrgreen:

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the sky is not yet the property of the airline companies, even the largest ... you arrive at an airport with any plane you have the right to land ... by submitting to the orders of the tower of control


Yeah I'm not sure if you land at Roissy CDG with a Piper PA28 or your little Cessna 152 two places you will be well received!
Besides, automation, whether road or aeronautical, has for main advantage - according to its defenders - security through better management of space, safety distances etc ...

Near Roissy one can notice if one places oneself in the right axis that the planes are almost "butt to butt" to land.
The increase in traffic tends to constantly decrease the intervals between planes, the aids to piloting a fortiori take-off / landing will develop crescendo, until or?


A320 crash: would unmanned airliners be safer?

In the aftermath of the crash of the Germanwings aircraft, the work of manufacturers on the unmanned aircraft interested. But if the technology is ready, the mentalities not yet.

Can we imagine, tomorrow, unmanned planes? After the crash of the Germanwings A320 and the revelations on the psychiatric problems of Andreas Lubitz, one can ask the question. Some industrialists have long thought about airliners that would fly on their own, like military drones.

This seems to be the meaning of the story. The technology exists, you just have to see what is being done in the military field with increasingly large and sophisticated autonomous vehicles. The Neuron for example, a French combat drone which is the size of a fighter plane, and which is piloted from a cockpit located on the ground (photo below). Or the Global Hawk, an American drone the size of a Boeing 737 (photo which illustrates the article).

Aircraft manufacturers are therefore able to manufacture large planes that fly on their own. Why not adapt this technology to civil aviation? Some are seriously considering it. Like the British BAE Systems, and its ASTRAEA project for example. An airplane, which has already carried out test flights, which can be controlled and guided from the ground.

There is always a pilot in the cockpit in the air, if only for a psychological reason. Difficult today to find someone willing to step into an unmanned aircraft. But everything is supervised by a captain who remains at the airport. He has exactly the same controls as if he were in the air, thanks to cameras he sees through the "eyes" of the plane, which is surrounded by sensors allowing him to detect the presence of other planes, to recognize different types of clouds to avoid storms, etc. In the event of a problem, he takes control of the controls. Any risk of pilot failure in the air is thus eliminated.

Replace pilots with robots

Another solution could be to replace the pilots with robots. South Korean researchers recently presented the first automaton capable of piloting an aircraft. His name is Pibot, a mixture of pilot and robot. So obviously, we have not yet left him the orders for an A380. For now, this little humanoid is training on a flight simulator. But it is rather impressive.

In the video published by the researchers (below), we see him activate with one hand the different buttons of the reconstructed cockpit, and with the other he holds the broomstick. Artificial vision algorithms allow it to recognize the various buttons, but also the markings on the ground and to analyze the approach to the runway to optimize the landing. Ultimately, its inventors believe that this kind of robot could quite safely bring us to the other side of the world.

However, it will take decades before airlines such as Air France or Lufthansa adopt the unmanned aircraft. Because for the moment the legal and especially psychological barriers are too important. We are certainly probably wrong to fear flying at an altitude of 10.000 meters without a pilot. After all, the driverless cars tested right now by Google and quite a few manufacturers, almost never have an accident. Much less than when driven by humans anyway.

Another reason which justifies a certain prudence on the subject: the risks in term of IT security. What would happen if someone managed to hack the connection between the plane and the pilot on the ground? Aeronautical experts are nevertheless convinced of this: the arrival of the autonomous aircraft is a revolution comparable to the appearance of the jet engine.
By Anthony Morel

http://bfmbusiness.bfmtv.com/entreprise/crash-de-l-a320-des-avions-de-ligne-sans-pilote-seraient-ils-plus-surs-872818.html
Weird this recovery in heart by all the media of automation of piloting, strange, very strange, we prepare the brains have say ...

I would be paranoid I would say that this accident was not due to chance! : Mrgreen:

More seriously, it is obvious that our future is already completely configured in advance by the anthropo-technical system, and that disasters only reveal plans that have already been thought through for a long time and worse, accelerate their achievements.
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by Did67 » 01/04/15, 17:08

1) Plane accidents have always struck the collective imagination - see the place they occupy in the media! I think it's related to our Icarus fantasy!

This one, all the more.

2) But quite frankly: a depressed pilot throws his plane against the mountain or a distracted mechanic forgets to put the pressurization lever back to the "on" position (flight from a Greek company which crashed near Athens after having flew I do not know how long in automatic flight, the crew in the vaps): what difference ??? An Airbu on the ground and so many dead ...

3) Now automatic planes will be "programmed" by men (for the foreseeable future): a depressive programmer will program a fall! It is even more dangerous, because in addition to the suicidal depression, there will be all the "pyromaniac pilots" on the ground, who will play at the idea of ​​throwing the plane against a mountain and watching the pictures on TV! Not even a scratch!

So let's be a little reasonable. And let's reason 5 minutes like crazy!
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