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by Gaston » 08/03/13, 15:20

chatelot16 wrote:a new engine design is needed with less weak point of sealing, with better accessibility of everything that must be changed to make it last
It's not for tomorrow : Evil:
On the contrary, manufacturers are doing everything to push (force?) To change vehicles more and more often.
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by Other » 08/03/13, 18:52

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Remundo wrote:Did67 is absolutely right.

It has been a long time since the advantages granted to Diesel should have been limited, to rebalance the fleet.

Even today, almost 4 out of 5 new cars are Diesel.

This does not include the fleet of heavy goods vehicles 100% Diesel,

While we are in very serious deficit of Diesel leaving the refinery, forcing us to export our gasoline to buy diesel ...

Or else to build expensive petrol / diesel conversion installations, installations that are not really done ...

Overall a very poorly managed affair. :?


All is said
I understand very well the French government which bet on the development of diesel cars, in an era where diesel and to protect its automobile market (we see enough Japanese cars on our roads and soon it will be Chinese)
diesel was a byproduct of petroleum and had more than petrol but the government was not visionary enough to see that the demand for kerosene for airplanes and diesel products was going to exceed its capacity produce. A government has a very short view just as long as they are elected, after the others will manage ...
And I also find it deplorable that by fiscal means we favor this or that energy and once the system is well established, we change the data. It is a bit as if we favored all-electric heating for a people, and once the system is adopted by a majority we increase the price of electricity, and then we try to make consumers feel guilty.
These great thinkers are not able to see 50 years ahead
it looks like he improvises day by day ..

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by bidouille23 » 08/03/13, 19:05

Nice summary André ... everything is actually said for me too ...
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by Christophe » 08/03/13, 19:40

(continuation and end) did67, you can watch your MP following what happened here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/post252636.html#252636

Thank you (for Macro)
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by Remundo » 09/03/13, 08:58

The debate and the very technical aside on Diesel engines have been split into a dedicated subject

https://www.econologie.com/forums/debat-tech ... 12349.html
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by Did67 » 09/03/13, 11:08

Macro wrote:Published by Remundo

Message assumed to be entirely from Did67



Did67 wrote:
Favoring one or the other for tax purposes will always come back to the same problem ...


In my mind, it would be a question of no longer favoring, but of putting on an equal footing. What :

a) restore a more normal "parity"

b) would provide an outlet for all the fuel we produce from the oil we import

c) reduce emissions of particles and Nox, therefore improve (a little! and in the long term) ... public health.

Instead, doing nothing is continuing to make the problems worse ...!


If I am not mistaken, it was all mine ...
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by Did67 » 09/03/13, 11:11

Did67 wrote:OKAY. Let's admit it all!

The fact remains that modern Diesels are much faster (even if it is not the injector-pumps, but common-rails ...), turbocharged (often) .....


And all that followed was in response, without citing it because it came right afterwards, at the macro post, where he related some adventures, the Daewo with LPG from a friend who is broken down, his Alfa which runs on oil frying ... and others.
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by Philippe Schutt » 09/03/13, 11:15

In fact we always see the same pattern:

1. The state gets involved in something
2. it creates a distortion
3. this distortion affects other things
4. The state adds a layer of aid or taxes on these other things
5. it creates new distortions
6. and it loops happily
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by Christophe » 09/03/13, 11:24

Did67 wrote:And all that followed was in response, without citing it because it came right afterwards, at the macro post, where he related some adventures, the Daewo with LPG from a friend who is broken down, his Alfa which runs on oil frying ... and others.


Yes you made a moderation error ... Macro took it badly enough he even made it a subject https://www.econologie.com/forums/moderation ... 12346.html !

Put a word on it to confirm what happened ... it would be nice ...
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by Did67 » 09/03/13, 11:54

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