CO2 classification by car manufacturer (2010 / ADEME)

[Christophe]

Clean cars: French manufacturers are overtaken by Fiat and Toyota

Six manufacturers achieved last year, on the French market, the average emission target of 130 gr of CO2 / km set by Brussels. Fiat and Toyota are ahead of Renault, PSA and Ford for compliance with this standard which favors manufacturers of small cars.



European CO2 regulations are starting to bear fruit. In 2010, six car manufacturers achieved the target of an average emission level of 130 grams of CO2 per kilometer set for 2015, at least with regard to their range sold on the French market.

This rule, more favorable to manufacturers of small cars than to those of large sedans, is now respected by Fiat (122 grams), followed by Toyota (127 grams), according to data published yesterday by Ademe (Agence de l ' environment and energy management).

These two companies have taken the lead in the rankings at Renault and PSA, which have long been the most virtuous in terms of CO2 emissions. It must be said that the Japanese manufacturer ranks its hybrid range (Auris and Prius) at the top of the Ademe classification and that the transalpine group gains points with its Fiat 500 TwinAir.

Ford and General Motors, with its Opel brand, also fell below the threshold beyond which manufacturers can be penalized from 2012. In 2009, only three manufacturers released on average less than 130 grams of CO2 per kilometer on the their entire fleet is a sign of the efforts made by the automotive sector to achieve European objectives.

The study highlights clear progress in the high-end segment. "BMW is the one who has made the greatest efforts," notes Patrick Coroller, head of the transport and mobility department at Ademe. Car manufacturers will begin to suffer financial sanctions from 2012, i.e. 95 euros per gram of CO2 emitted above the authorized threshold.

France in second place

The European average of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions fell by 45 grams in 15 years and by 5 grams in 2010. France, in second place with 130 grams of CO2 per kilometer traveled, has made more efforts in ten years as Italy and Spain. Germany, if it has reduced its average consumption by 22 grams in ten years, remains one of the most emitting European countries.

According to this list, the Smart Fortwo comes out on top in the diesel category, as in 2009, with 86g of CO2 per kilometer. For “petrol” vehicles, it is the hybrids Toyota Auris and Toyota Prius which rise to the forefront of the “car labeling” of the Ademe with 89 grams of CO2 per kilometer.

For more information see the Ademe VP guide

https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... aHSEeV.pdf

Source: http://www.lesechos.fr/entreprises-sect ... 173737.php

Electric cars must have largely contributed to the decline in the average ... whose CO2 emissions are unbeatable on paper but in reality they depend on the type of electricity used ... therefore the place / country of recharging ...

See detailed calculation here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/taux-de-co ... 10722.html

[Remundo]

"Electric cars" are almost nothing.

This morning I was listening to a press release boasting about the "good performance" of the French car fleet, thanks to the scrapping of old "very polluting" cars.

For a massively Dieselized fleet, and a CO2 equivalent of 100 km for each crushed car replaced by a new one that is not taken into account, I am fed up.

[Christophe]

Quite my dear Remundo and precisely ... must see the exact method of calculation to obtain the average CO2 / km of each manufacturer! I doubt that it takes sales into account ...

It must be the arithmetic mean of the range ... no more no less! So 1 or 2 electric cars in their range should help lower ...

Surely indicated in the doc of the Ademe which I watched that the intro ...

Obviously gray CO2 is not taken into account!

In this regard, I recently made an interesting estimate about gray CO2 which went unnoticed (on the forums) in the subject I cited: https://www.econologie.com/forums/taux-de-co ... 10722.html here is the copy / pasted reasoning:

Oops not seen the question. As you waited a bit, I will give you a nice full answer

We must compare: indirect and direct CO2 rejection in the 2 cases;

Indirect = manufacturing, recycling.
Direct = CO2 from fuel and electricity production ("half" direct in fact, but more direct than indirect: p)

Already in global eco balance the i-Miev rejects on its battery 41gr / km https://www.econologie.com/forums/mitsubishi ... t6280.html

As iMiev and iOn are twins (false but twins all the same), we can take the same figure.

Then add the gr CO2 per electric kWh: 90 gr / kWh for France.

1st approachExtract, https://www.econologie.com/forums/mitsubishi ... t6280.html

It takes about 0.2 kWh / km (low estimate) to advance a small vehicle in town.

In France, the average is 90 g / kWh so 18 grams must be added to these 41 g or 59 g / CO2. So good! (thank you nuclear ...)

On the other hand, in Germany it is the catastrophe since the average is 600 g / kWh is in the end 161 g / CO2 (equivalent of a hdi consuming 6.2 L / 100)

Average of Europe 15: 0,46 CO2 kg / kWh elec.

2nd approach:

According https://www.econologie.com/forums/liste-et-p ... 10338.html the iMiev / iOn has a range of 150 km for a battery capacity 16kWh

Assume a 80% charge efficiency, we must consume 16 / 0.8 = 20kWh to 150km.

therefore consumes 0.13 kWh / km (lower than 1ere approach probably due to regenerative braking and other power management optimization, may be that the charging efficiency is lower as well, some).

So in the end it led to: 41 + = 0.13 90 * 53 gr / km in France.

It is interesting to see that the "CO2 displacement" part is much less important than the "gray" part, the proportion being from 1/5 to 4/5! Caution valid for France where nuclear provides a low rate CO2. Germany, 600 gr / kWh would have: 41 + = 0.13 600 119 * g / km is the equivalent of a recent average diesel car in economical driving but a small gasoline.

But as I often say to "defend" the electric car: there is not ONLY CO2 in life! The air pollution in the city kills more people than traffic accidents: https://www.econologie.com/forums/les-morts- ... t1901.html

Also to be completely honest in the process we must also take into account the embodied energy of the thermal car. It is recognized that manufacturing is about the equivalent of 20 000 km covered (varies but average): https://www.econologie.com/forums/fabricatio ... t8713.html

(...) About 2.5 Tons CO2 / car manufactured! 2500 kg CO2 ca represents 140 g / km approximately 18 000 km covered !!

Over a lifetime of 200 000 2.5 km these T CO2 are therefore an increase of 2500 / 200 12.5 = gr / km

Let's say that recycling is the same (which seems credible) or 25 gr / km.

Interestingly, we find ourselves in the same proportion but reversed:

Thermal = 1 / 5 gray CO2, 4 / 5 of propulsion CO2
Electric = 4 / 5 gray CO2, 1 / 5 CO2 of propulsion (in France)


So in the end, we must increase the rate CO2 / km of thermal car 25 gr / km to take into account the embodied energy / recycling.

See also: https://www.econologie.com/forums/opel-amper ... 10759.html

So in your case, pear, there is more to applying these figures!

Other figures about the construction of cars: https://www.econologie.com/forums/fabricatio ... t8713.html

I no longer know who (you? Remundo) estimated that 180 km had to be made to make the change from an old diesel to energy profitable ...