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by moinsdewatt » 09/09/11, 22:23

Some notes taken quickly during the broadcast. : Idea:

- Concentrated thermal solar power plant near Seville (Spain)

- the era of petroleum. '' In 15 years the world will run out of oil ''

- Interview with geologist Emmanuel Mousset in Seine et Marne on oil from the Paris basin in the form of Oil shale.
see this link et other link

- No to shale gas in France (demonstrations). Allusion to the film GASLAND released in the USA.

- Report on oil shale from North Dakota in the small town of Stanley. Extraction boom, lots of workers coming from all over the US, not enough housing. The only solution, mobile homes.
Similar extraction in shale gas techniques. That is to say vertical drilling of 3000 m then transition to the horizontal, hydraulic fracturing. 8000 m3 of water required per well. 100000 liters of chemicals with each fracturing, products with symbols "toxic" and "flammable" on the tankers that bring ca.
The chemicals and water, 80% of which then rise with the petroleum droplets, are stored in the open air in basins (ponds) just made with so-called "waterproof" liners. The birds die stuck inside. Vapors form and inconvenience people in the vicinity depending on the direction of the wind. Hexavalent chromium is found in stored waste water. They do not know what to do with its waters in the end. Attempt at reinjection at 1000 m depth.
2600 such wells in North Dakota. 10x more are expected in 10 years. Little story about a couple who becomes a millionaire because 4 wells are on their land (in the USA the basement belongs to the owner, unlike in France).

- Energy savings. Energy diagnosis of a house in Alsace using a portable IR (Infra Red) camera. And thanks to a system of slight overpressure (door blower) and white smoke that visualize the leaks seen outside the house. Guaranteed colander effect.

-Stockholm, European capital champion of ecology.
District heating recovers heat from the incinerator.
Methane bioGas system for bio fermentation of faeces from city sewers. This methane would power 10% of the city's buses.

- The electric car -> Lithium batteries -> Lithium

3 reports on salars from South America (salars = salt deposit)

1st in Chile in the Atacama Desert. The salars contain besides the NaCl salt, full of other salt, including the lithium salts. The salar is crusted on the surface, but contains liquid water at -120 m deep. This mineralized water is pumped, then placed in a large basin for natural evaporation. At the end and after successive removal of salt, there remains a "viscous" liquid which contains the lithium salts. Then it is loaded into a tank truck and sent 300 km from there to a place that has enough pure water resources for washing processes (not shown). It is said that 1 kg of Lithium requires 1 liter of water in the process.

2nd in Argentina at '' Salinas Grande ''. On territories occupied by Indians for generations. Water problem again. A lawyer warns the Indians of the dangers they face. Toyota has signed agreements with Argetine for Li there.

3rd in Bolivia, the salar of Uyuni. The largest in the world. 100 x 150 km. It provides the purest Li in the world. G.Lagache at the Minister of Mines in the capital LaPaz at 3500 m altitude. It is the most important government department. Images of Evo Morales' visit to Paris two years ago with the meeting of Bolloré and demo of an electric vehicle.

An interesting image, the lithium metal once refined and put in metallic form is a `` soft '' metal. Softer than lead. We saw a "butter cutting wire" cut a cylindrical bar about 5 cm with ease, like sausage!


The show doesn't really deserve its name. Rather a rotten pot on energy. Peak oil not mentioned at all. No personal interview with Total, neither OPEC, nor the International Energy Agency. No production figures. the term million b / d is unknown in the vocabulary.
From the general public program. Do not be afraid, be positive with the RES and make believe in the electric car without saying where or will come the electricity necessary for it.
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by dedeleco » 09/09/11, 22:45

Good summary.
They gathered programs already spent on M6 in 2010 and early 2011 !!!
So serious shortages by lack of targeted reporting on the key points of the subject with what to replace oil, because recovering waste and excrement will be insufficient and solar is much more possibilities to exploit.
Otherwise, I recorded the program.
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by I Citro » 09/09/11, 22:48

moinsdewatt wrote:[b] The show doesn't really deserve its name. Rather a rotten pot on energy. Peak oil not mentioned at all. No personal interview with Total, neither OPEC, nor the International Energy Agency. No production figures. the term million b / d is unknown in the vocabulary.
From the general public program. Do not be afraid, be positive with the RES and make believe in the electric car without saying where or will come the electricity necessary for it.
Yes, there are a lot of suggestions, but in the end, the message is light, not fundamentalist and shows that the solutions exist, with their advantages and disadvantages, including for the electric car.
As for energy to power an electric car, 3kWp of photovoltaic roof (20m²) provides the equivalent of 15.000km / year.
A manufacturer like MIA electric compensates in PV for the consumption of EVs that it builds ...
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by Remundo » 09/09/11, 23:25

well agree with Lessdewatt, Dede and Citro,

yes, i watched this show.

I would say that it is superficial and fragmented. Informative, however, for the general public.

But it is a much-needed bias for a program for all audiences in prime time that lasts 2 hours. I found it very accessible.

No major error in what was mentioned, it's already a good point. A somewhat lengthy passage on Lithium, and it is true, without specifying that electricity is not a source of energy, which is not a slight problem in terms of technological choices for its production which, have been mentioned too little.

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by Did67 » 11/09/11, 11:49

The debate is the same as that around a tax and its base:

Should we go in high doses with very few people involved?

Or a few "flashes", so light, but for the masses ??

I no longer know what the tax revenue curve is called. We know the answer.

So agree with others here, Remundo, Citro, etc ... It is made of odds and ends (and already seen) ... However, it seems better to me than to give a 22nd edition of the Star Ac, right ???

It is all the same indicated that oil is heading towards its inelcutbale (and rapid) end, that the "mirage" of oils or gas from chistes pose some peripheral problems (even if we do not know if the fact that rancid has legislated cut is reported as a regret or as a chance!), that there are poorly valued resources (organic matter ...), that the insulation / waterproofing of houses poses problems, that the electric car raises the question of lithium (with even a rather astonishing verse I find on the Guevarianism of Evo Moralès in Bolivia, which makes the Bolloré stamp their feet, simple historical revenge; crunchy, I found) ...

At prime time, on a chain whipping to catch up with TF1 (yes !!!), I find it not bad at all !!
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by dedeleco » 11/09/11, 14:38

Okay with almost everything but
oil is going to its inevitable end

mes seems far from the truth, considering all the fossil fuels stored underground for more than 500 million years (enormous) and the ease of making oil with coal, gas, etc ...

We already said that in the 70s with more oil in 2000, justification of nuclear power plants in France, and oil still flows freely in 2011 !!

In my opinion, only the harmful effects of CO2, ocean acidity and inevitable warming, if we continue thoroughly (only its amplitude is subject to various opinions), will force to block these fuels, especially when large cities pass under water inevitably, may be too late, seen the intrinsic instability of the Earth's climate which has exploded over the last 5 million years.

Very clear this explosion of instability on this curve of the past climate:
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http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pal%C3%A9oclimatologie
So the worst can happen !!
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by Did67 » 11/09/11, 17:29

1) I summarized a point of view of the program ...

2) The show should say something like "we're going to run out of oil in 15 years". It's about comparing the offer at a given price (currently low) and demand (still growing globally) ...

3) We will look for it in more and more remote corners, with more and more difficulties, and also risks (environmental: Alberta shales, deep offshore, soon the Arctic)

4) So on this, the show doesn't lie too much in my opinion (even if they don't know better than us): affordable oil (I consider the current price to be affordable, since everyone is use without thinking too much about an alternative) is coming to an end! “Cosmetic” oil will remain for a long time. If L'Oréal invents a petroleum-based anti-wrinkle cream, at 99,90 euros per bottle, they will still have petroleum.
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by Capt_Maloche » 12/09/11, 00:39

dedeleco wrote:...
Very clear this explosion of instability on this curve of the past climate:
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http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pal%C3%A9oclimatologie
So the worst can happen !!



Does not understand this graph.


What is being measured? or rather calculated, because I believe that one never took older than 800 years for the ice cores for example concerning the climate
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by dedeleco » 12/09/11, 13:40

The principle, real detective work, is to determine the past climate from the fossils and micro-fossils of the sediments, foraminifers, and others, with also the isotopic compositions, and many overlaps, which allowed enormous progress of our knowledge of the past of our land, after such enormous research!

answer in the wikipedia reference in French and English:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pal%C3%A9oclimatologie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoclimatology

http://www.ird.fr/la-mediatheque/videos ... -benitiers

Very summary
Variations in the isotopic composition of oxygen (for example in tests of foraminifera) constitutes a climatic indicator (“proxy”) which signs the variations of the temperature of the oceans and the quantity of ice (ice sheet). They made it possible to reconstruct the global temperature variations since 550 million years. These data are in agreement with the glacial episodes recorded in the sedimentary rocks (tillites), as well as the paleobotany dataand to carbon concentration in the atmosphere

Sedimentary content

Sediments, sometimes lithified to form rock, may contain remnants of preserved vegetation, animals, plankton or pollen, which may be characteristic of certain climatic zones.
Biomarker molecules such as the alkenones may yield information about their temperature of formation.
Chemical signatures, particularly Mg / Ca ratio of calcite in Foraminifera tests, can be used to reconstruct past temperature.
Isosubject ratios can provide further information. Specifically, the δ18O record responds to changes in temperature and ice volume, and the δ13C record reflects a range of factors, which are often difficult to direangle.

Sedimentary facies
On a longer time scale, the rock record may show signs of sea level rise and fall; further, features such as "fossilized" sand dunes can be identified. Scientists can get a grasp of long term climate by studying sedimentary rock going back billions of years. The division of earth history into separate periods is largely based on visible changes in sedimentary rock layers that demarcate major changes in conditions. Often these include major shifts in climate.

Corals (see also sclerochronology)
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by Janic » 13/09/11, 08:31

carbon concentration in the atmosphere
we cannot measure the carbon12 / 14 ratio beyond a few thousand years, did I read somewhere?
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