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Re: Roll with cheaper natural gas




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 15/02/21, 17:57

Remundo wrote:yes so that's interesting, these are certified biomethane tanks.

that said, it is also relevant to inject biomethane into the GrdF network which supplies NGV stations.

The ideal would be for this gas mix to be mainly renewable, but as for electricity, we must be far from it, and even, not sure that this is possible in agricultural biomethane. For that, it would be better to focus on the gasification of organic matter and direct the synthesis of CH4.

in any case, there is not ONE solution, but there are solutions to combine to have the most renewable energy mix possible.

I think that the German, Swiss and Italian model is better than ours, the production of Biomethane being increasing everywhere, injecting it directly into the circuit makes it possible to have simpler stations, therefore less expensive and more fuel. more virtuous (at least on paper).
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by sicetaitsimple » 15/02/21, 18:22

Remundo wrote:yes so that's interesting, these are certified biomethane tanks.

Do you know of a single methane liquefaction unit (organic or not) in France, or even in Europe28 (to be verified, Norway perhaps, but I don't think so)?
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by sicetaitsimple » 15/02/21, 18:35

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:I think that the German, Swiss and Italian model is better than ours, the production of Biomethane being increasing everywhere, injecting it directly into the circuit makes it possible to have simpler stations, therefore less expensive and more fuel. more virtuous (at least on paper).


If that can reassure you, the French model is physically exactly the same. The production of biomethane is injected into the network as close as possible to its place of production.
In Manosque or nearby, there is currently no biomethane production.
So you fill your tank with imported gas landed taking into account the area where you live at the Fos terminals.
But you can press the "BioNGV" button on your future station, it's the joy of "guarantees of origin"!
Just surprising to see you supporting financial instruments potentially subject to significant speculation!
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 15/02/21, 19:58

What, in the day of globalization and savage neo-liberalism, is not the subject of significant speculation ???
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by sicetaitsimple » 15/02/21, 20:50

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:What, in the day of globalization and savage neo-liberalism, is not the subject of significant speculation ???


I exploded into laughter, thank you! Have a good fill-up in your future station.
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by Obamot » 15/02/21, 21:34

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:
Remundo wrote:Guy is not responsible for the gas mix of his CNG station

and even if there would be only fossil gas, the combustion of methane emits little CO2 compared to other hydrocarbons which have longer carbon chains.

Afterwards, you have several schools. In France, you have the choice between several methanes (in certain stations *), in Italy, Switzerland and Germany, the biogas is injected directly into the circuit and (increasingly) involved in the mix. Basically, we have no options.

* Note that Biogas is the most expensive.

If you can run on biogas with your tire then it can run on E85.
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by Macro » 15/02/21, 21:49

So suggest Guy (or anyone else for that matter) ... To host in a rural environment, 300 meters from his home a biomethanization station and its 500 trucks of squaring waste per year .. ..Its chain of tractors to evacuate digestate ....

I can guarantee you that he goes back to fatal and swindle to get his full speed back ...

Personally in my hometown .... We are fighting so that the project does not see the light of day ....
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 15/02/21, 21:54

Macro wrote:So suggest Guy (or anyone else for that matter) ... To host in a rural environment, 300 meters from his home a biomethanization station and its 500 trucks of squaring waste per year .. ..Its chain of tractors to evacuate digestate ....

I can guarantee you that he goes back to fatal and swindle to get his full speed back ...

Personally in my hometown .... We are fighting so that the project does not see the light of day ....

In my opinion that it should not stink more than a pigsty or cause more nuisance than an incinerator ... afterwards, of course we must fight so that the distance between this kind of operation and the houses is large enough not to cause any nuisance.
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by Macro » 16/02/21, 08:30

Their anaerobic digestion plant for reinjection into the network which passes nearby but which does not serve our town .... Well, we don't want it ..... We are already taking advantage of the spreading of sludge from the stations of 'purification of the "agglomeration Tours plus" which stinks the atmosphere for sometimes more than a week continuously ..... That is greatly enough for us ....
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by Remundo » 16/02/21, 08:55

indeed, these are shitty policies : Mrgreen:
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