Bonus Malus for cars: that explains the problem?

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by Did67 » 19/06/08, 11:54

former oceanic wrote:The annual penalty, there was 10 years ago ... It was the car sticker.


That's true. We could discuss "progressivity" based on fiscal power, which is not perfectly linked to emissions ...

With the vignette, there was no bonus. Result: everyone was against it. Result: it has been deleted. Remember that originally it was created for the retirement of the old!

I think a system of bonus-malus is more interesting (than the sticker) to encourage people to buy small vehicles: even if the 700 € represent little in the overall cost of a vehicle over its lifetime, although, as I wrote above, the consumer is not so rational, it is clear that people bite the hook!

I think it would have been even more effective if it were annual - but still a bonus-malus.

I am for the system - even if as a used buyer, I do not benefit from it. The role of the state is to regulate markets. So steer vesr of spetites cars at the expense of big seems to me a wise measure, in the current context.

To judge the relevance, it would be necessary to know how much represents the total of the bonuses and how much the total of the penalties. And compare that to "200 million". That in the context of a project, of something new, we are wrong by 10 or 20%, it's extremely banal, even in the private (ask Airbus where they are with the A 380 or Boeing with the Dreamliner, or Renault how much they pledge with the Velsatis or avce the Avantime!). I write again: to be safe, the safest is to do nothing ... Except that we go in the wall.

I fear that after a period of implementation where everyone talks about it, it does not fall ...
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by Christophe » 19/06/08, 11:58

There is another "penalty": fuel and maintenance ... quite simply.

Just the tires can cost 5 6 times more expensive ... (or more for the low waist style 18 inch but it's not significant) ...

Now as you say: the guy who is paying a car to 50 000 € I think he is ready to put 2 3000 € extra maintenance per year ... the same for the sticker.

But again: the mass of small vehicles (= all of us on this forum) has much more impact than the big ones (cons for some) who roll in 4x4 / SUV ... I do not legitimize them but it is an observation. And the figures of the document found by Did prove it ...
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by Christophe » 19/06/08, 13:34

Report on the FR2 news.

Want to turn the bonus-malus into malus-malus

Ptdr and say that it was the 1st "flagship" measure of the Grenelle ...

It is certain that with this kind of "ecological and anti-popular" decisions it will not advance the idea of ​​a more ecological society. : Evil: : Evil: : Evil:
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by crispus » 19/06/08, 13:43

Did67 wrote:I am for the system - even if as a used buyer, I do not benefit from it.


But if, as I explained above: the increase in the number of purchases will increase volumes on the occasion, you will benefit then your turn. And even amplified.

On the other hand, the new purchases anticipated today thanks to the "bonus" prepare us a decrease for tomorrow: the "growth" has limits all the same ...


Personally I'm resisting: I'm waiting for the series hybrid ... standard. : Mrgreen:
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by Woodcutter » 19/06/08, 14:07

Estimate from the CCFA figures for the first 3 months of the year:

"Malus" recipes on classes> 160 g = € 64

Assumption for the class 160-200: homogeneous distribution between 160-165 (1 / 8ème) and 165-200 (7 / 8ème). It is surely wrong but I do not know how to do otherwise ...

"Bonus" expenses on classes <140 g = € 131

Assumption for class 120-140: homogeneous distribution between 140-130 and 130-120. Same as above.

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Difference: - 66 542 500 € to find somewhere ...
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by Christophe » 19/06/08, 17:02

Oh well, thank you Bucheron, here is the concrete and it proves that my 1ere impression was wrong ... :?

Now, this is only the beginning, can the 1er law enforcement quarter be considered significant in the medium and long term? Do not forget that there was a RUSH in December on medium and large cylinders precisely ... so there is necessarily a gap on this range over the period that follows.

ps: your graph is still a bit difficult to understand, in your place I would have put the bonus in negative and green and the penalty in red and positive (or vice versa)
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by Christophe » 19/06/08, 17:44

Hey Bucheron found you where the scales, according to the doc of this subject I deduce that:

Bonus:

<100 g / km: -1000 €
<120 g / km: - 700 €
<130 g / km: - 200 €


Neutral: between 130 and 160 g / km

Malus:

Between 160 and 165 g / km (!): + 200 €
<200 g / km: + 750 €
<250 (?) G / km: + 1600 €
beyond: + 2600 €


Yabon?
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by gegyx » 19/06/08, 18:07

Nathalie Kosciusko-Morizet announced this morning on RMC that the bonus-malus was first introduced on the purchase of the car, but that in the end, it will be annualized.
A measure that will require a passage in Parliament this year.

http://www.lepost.fr/article/2008/01/07 ... iesel.html

http://www.lesechos.fr/patrimoine/famille/300224365.htm

The cacophony continues:
http://www.romandie.com/ats/news/080619 ... zlgcmj.asp
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by martien007 » 19/06/08, 18:08

Not all read, but I heard that the state would lose 200 million this year because of massive purchase of cars with bonuses and few cars bought penalized by a penalty.

Borloo said that "no question of modifying the bonus-malus system in 2009 while Woerth, the Minister of the Economy, said the opposite (of course he is the one who manages the finances !!).
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by Christophe » 19/06/08, 18:15

LOL the annualized bonus-malus = reinventing the vignette?

At least we know pkoi we pay taxes: we must feed the clowns who "direct" us ... : Mrgreen:
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