Brazil: H2O motorcycle with water / hydrogen (cracking)

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Re: Brazil: H2O motorcycle with water / hydrogen (cracking)




by gildas » 16/10/18, 22:40

HHO = H2 + H2 + O2

What I do know is that 1L Water contains 111g of H2 (2 / 18 of H2)

But H2 is 66% in volume of gas ...

And that the H2 has a mass PCI 3 times higher than that of fossil fuels ...


H2 coming from a bottle?
There is 2 sort of H2. Some say that the orthohydrogen H2 is 3,7 times more powerful than parahydrogen H2.


A motorcycle 125cm3 4t at 50km / h (2000 rpm?) Would swallow: 10cl (I do not think 12,5) of gas X 1000 = 10 000cl = 100 Liters of gas / mn X 60mn = 6000 Liter of gas per hour .
Required HHO gas: 6000 / 100 = 60X6 = 360.
360 Liters being the amount of HHO gas needed for it to ignite in the air ...

12v 50A battery can produce 200L of HHO / hour.
Mr Azevedo has to drive only at 1200trpm or have a bigger battery.


I think it works like this ...
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Re: Brazil: H2O motorcycle with water / hydrogen (cracking)




by Christophe » 16/10/18, 23:48

Ah this is the scam of HHO who sells kits to the neuneus with impunity for years?

Do the H2 with a lead battery? : Shock: : Shock: : Shock:
As much to roll with the electricity directly ... I laugh well there (yellow) ...

ps: an 125 runs faster than 2000 rpm at 50 km / h ... I think 3500-4000 RPM rather ...
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by gildas » 17/10/18, 09:08

It is nevertheless an HHO system that is used with a car battery:
With a little knowledge of mechanics, and a lot of imagination, this Brazilian inventor has created, in his garage of Sao Paulo, the Moto H2O. Ricardo Azevedo turned an 1993 Honda into a futuristic, low-cost, hydrogen-powered motorcycle. The machine uses a car battery to produce electricity, and with theelectrolysisHydrogen is isolated. Combustion moves the bike forward.

https://fr.euronews.com/2016/02/09/la-m ... -bresilien
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Re: Brazil: H2O motorcycle with water / hydrogen (cracking)




by Christophe » 17/10/18, 09:26

Well, she must not move very long ... : Cheesy:
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Re: Brazil: H2O motorcycle with water / hydrogen (cracking)




by Christophe » 17/10/18, 09:58

Gildas wrote:HHO = H2 + H2 + O2

The equation is not balanced ...

Gildas wrote:
What I do know is that 1L Water contains 111g of H2 (2 / 18 of H2)


But H2 is 66% in volume of gas ...


To reason in volume when one speaks of a gas without knowing the density has absolutely no energetically speaking meaning ... It is the mass which makes the energy of combustion, not the volume that the molecules occupy ...

Do you know how many kg of H2 the Hindenburg contained?

Answer: 190 000 m3 * 0,08988 kg / m3 = 17 tons ... For 250 m of tong ... and 250 tons of mass max. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ_129_Hindenburg

As long as we are in energy: it also had 88 000 L of diesel ... either 75 tons ... is the equivalent of 25 tons of H2 ...

1L of H2 at atmospheric pressure it is 0.1 g ... is a pouillème ... in energy on the PCI it is 0,1 * 120 kJ = 12 000 J is 0,3 g of gasoline ... is not even 1 / 2 ml or 1 / 2 cm3 liquid fuel

So we can say that the volume energy of liquid fuels is ... 2500 times better than that of the H2 !!

In other words, if you want the same amount of energy by switching to the H2 (gas at P atm.), The tank of the bike should not do 10L but 25 m3! But that would not go because it would fly away : Cheesy:

Ah not enough, according to Archimedes each m3 of H2 raises 1,2 kg (with air density 1,3) ... weird that 190 000m3 can raise 248 T: according to this calculation it is 228 T max .. .
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Re: Brazil: H2O motorcycle with water / hydrogen (cracking)




by Sylvester spiritus » 17/10/18, 11:39

Just a word in passing:

It is not only electrolysis which allows a "cracking" of water, there are multiple more or less profitable processes and many researches in progress on this subject: (cf. cracking of water for a brief overview of the tip of the iceberg)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craquage_de_l%27eau

Many inventors have left feathers, see their lives ...
By the way, Chambrin went into exile in Brazil before disappearing from circulation (taking back his patents for those concerned)
Stanley Meyer died really "stupidly" (another method)
The list would be too long to state ...

HHO is, I dare say, an abuse of language.
It comes from Brown's gas which specifies that the best reaction is obtained when H2 and O2 are in stoichiometric proportion:
2 H2 + O2 = spark => 2 H20O (with a tolerance of + or - 5%)
HHO generators are not in this case because they help improve a hydrocarbon combustion.

As for bicarbonates, it's quite a story: increase of buffer power, improvement of conductivity and production of H2CO3 in some cases that I will not discuss here ...

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by Christophe » 17/10/18, 12:09

Yes I vaguely heard about all this : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:

There is also thermolysis (thermal cracking) ... I presume that it can be done under certain conditions in a heat engine, hence the effectiveness (or not) of the injection of water ... C Chambrin was already doing, it was not an electrolysis (if my memories are good ...)
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Re: Brazil: H2O motorcycle with water / hydrogen (cracking)




by Christophe » 19/10/18, 12:24

More seriously about Hydrogen fuel:

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by Sylvester spiritus » 21/10/18, 10:20

The technology of pressurized hydrogen is not a long-term solution:

In addition to being restrictive, expensive and generate greenhouse gases, 1 liter of H2 compressed 350 bars contains 28 g of H2 while in the same volume, we can store 53 g of H2 thanks to the formic acid and this at room temperature and virtually without risk.

The Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne understood this well:
HYFORM-PEMFC is the result of a project co-financed by the Federal Office of Energy and GRT Group
https://actu.epfl.ch/news/une-pile-a-co ... -formique/

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Re: Brazil: H2O motorcycle with water / hydrogen (cracking)




by gildas » 22/01/19, 19:36

Another water bike that seems to work on the principle of cracking ... (at 1'48)



The guy also puts beer in the tank! : Cheesy:
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