1000 km: Plane or car?

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by Obelix » 04/10/07, 15:37

Christophe wrote:
Do Marseille and Nicois people know that there is a TGV? :D


Oh yes! they know that ......
The Aix / Marseille TGV station serves as a depot for spare parts for broken down cars (flights are daily because in the countryside served by crows ...)
As for the Nicois, they must stuff themselves at low speed to Marseille and that at the price of the TGV (really not top!)

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by abyssin3 » 04/10/07, 15:39

Your consumption figures surprise me a little: when I took the plane, (boing777), it was a little more than 100 tonnes for 10.000Km.
Or 10t / 1000Km
1t / 100Km.
1000L for ~ 300 people therefore 3.3L / person / 100Km. Ah if we find ourselves there : Cheesy:
Now if it's only two-thirds full, that’s 5L / person / 100Km.
A car with one person (me): 5.5L / 100KmA car with two people: 2.8L / 100Km
It's kifkif, and if we run on biofuel, the plane no longer holds ...
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by abyssin3 » 04/10/07, 15:42

PS: several times, I made 2000Km AR with 100L of hvb. 10-15L of petroleum remains ... for one person ...
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by freddau » 04/10/07, 15:49

Well,

since you like it. I will load everything I found:

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But we must not forget that the trains are still running and if we take the car. In addition to the train running, we add the car ride .....
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by dreamer » 05/10/07, 16:06

abyssin3 wrote:V
It's kifkif, and if we run on biofuel, the plane no longer holds ...


And as we work to allow the planes to work with it too, it will be better.
Even if it will reject qd mm of filth at high altitude: s
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by joey1987 » 23/10/09, 12:05

the train is much less tiring than the plane
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by Alain G » 23/10/09, 15:36

Hello everyone!

Seen from this angle, I managed to make under 1.9 liters per 100km per person for 5 people on board with my Charger 2007!

This weekend I made the Quebec-Sept-Iles trip in extreme mountain conditions for a 12litres / 100km with a trailer and its load totaling 1 metric ton which is the equivalent of 12 people, which would have given me given 0.92 liter per 100km including my person.

All is relative!
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by elephant » 23/10/09, 18:30

Last summer, my brother made Brussels Venice, in the latest Polo, 4 people: 3,7 l / 100 km.
However, there are all the incidentals: tolls, forced stops, possibly hotels for such a long distance.
Last year, too, I did Liège Stuttgart Liège (900 km, no toll) during the day, but it's exhausting: all morning, I drove in the water.

In fact, the questions I ask myself:

- why is the train so expensive? (Charleroi Liège, one way, 100 km 1h 15: 12,50 euros) (Paris Brussels: 75 euros)
- conversely, why is the plane so cheap?
- the plague either of airport taxes: not surprising that the "big companies" suffer: 59 euros of airport tax in the big airports, against 12 euros in the small ones, not counting the parking between 19 and 27 euros the day All that for a ticket that sometimes costs between 15 and 50 euros (but 20 euros for the Pisa-Florence shuttle, for example)

It also depends on what we do on site: meeting in the city center or access to industrial areas lost in the suburbs.
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