Doping an internal combustion engine with water vapor

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Re: Doping in the steam




by Flytox » 22/10/19, 20:15

Hello kistinie

kistinie wrote: On an 807 2,2 HDI 5 speed.
- Magnetic treatment of fuel
- Injection of water by misting (2 ultrasonic heads)
- Incoming air ionizer
- HHO generator with low amperage, less than 5A

We can say that you did not choose the easy way, mixing the: magnetic "treatment" of the fuel, the injection of water by misting, the ionization of the incoming air and the HHO generator .... who does what there inside, in the results?
Can you put pictures of how you put it all together?

kistinie wrote:4-season tires at 3 bars, roof bars removed.

Normally you have to be at 2.3 bars?
3 bars is too much, you have every chance of blocking your wheels at the first heavy braking or even fucking up in the air on a slightly rotten road ...
In addition you will wear your tires in the central part at high speed ..... economy question ?????
Increase tire pressure to decrease fuel consumption, it is within 0.2 bar additional and by validating braking and handling on a well-known / cleared road, in the rain etc ... There are cars which become really vicious in handling when one overflows.
For the roof bar, normally it's all good. 8)

kistinie wrote:The result is:
5,7 L / 100 stabilized at 100
6,3 L / 100 in mixed road included starts.
6,7 L / 100 in fast driving, foot consistently very heavy acceleration

11 L / 100 with a caravan of 8 1,6T meters between 80 and 100. No effort to save money. Very strong load almost all the time.

Would be interesting to know what consumption you are leaving, otherwise we do not know what to do with these results.
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Re: Doping in the steam




by Flytox » 22/10/19, 20:23

kistinie wrote:For info the magnetic treatment of fuel used on jet airliners. The gain is around 8%. It's modest but how can you justify not using it knowing that the price is close to nothing, infinite reliability, and universal compatibility?


You will not have a link, I have not found what this system can be, on which plane / engine etc ...
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Re: Doping in the steam




by kistinie » 07/11/19, 14:06

3 bars, with quality tires, not with low end tires. And for empty memory, with the seats and the full, an 807 is almost 1T9, payload 500Kg, hence the high pressure. NB: I have behind me a few years of driving on a circuit, which facilitates exercise in the event of slipping. NB2: over inflation allows better evacuation of water and easier control recovery in the event of aquaplaning, but also on a stall because it occurs earlier, and therefore easier to recover. In cold weather, I reduce by 300g to compensate for the loss of adhesion and the fact that the gum becomes harder.

The best mixed consumption of the 807 5 2.2HDI box is 7,5 to 8 liters. 9 and more when the FAP is used, 10 when it reaches the end of its life.

The magnets are very stupid, just attach them to the diesel pipes before and / or after the pump. I placed ten.

The injection of water by misting and the plasma on the incoming air, that's it:
https://www.facebook.com/francois.bouqu ... 614&type=3

And a little theory: Electrical and magnetic treatment see chapter 10
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Re: Doping in the steam




by Christophe » 07/11/19, 16:36

Flytox wrote:You will not have a link, I have not found what this system can be, on which plane / engine etc ...


+1

On the other hand, the water injection can clearly be seen on (some engines of) 747!
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Re: Doping in the steam




by kistinie » 07/11/19, 17:10

Water injection is a basic option for turbines and industrial engines. A great classic. For electrical and magnetic treatments of fuel and plasma for the combustion of reactors, this is a trade secret. Very difficult to get information. In addition, this subject is very sensitive because the consumption of non-aviation fuel is a tax. It cannot therefore be reduced without providing for tax compensation upstream. The ultrasonic misting that I tested works very well in town by driving torque with a powerful engine of large displacement and therefore also at low speed at reasonable speed, unlike the Pantone which requires a high load to produce the steam.
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Re: Doping in the steam




by gildas » 08/11/19, 10:13

Hello,

Thank you for sharing! :)

However on water doping, watch out for slow speeds and cold starts (doping should be activated with the hot engine).

Below the results was good on consumption and certain pollutants, but was not good on HC:
https://www.econologie.com/presse-journal-autoplus/
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Re: Doping in the steam




by Janic » 08/11/19, 10:25

unlike the Pantone which requires a high load to produce steam.
just a clarification, the pantone does not use water aversion, it is the Gillier pantone which does it. Then the delay in spraying is related to the jars used and which is less important than with the level system or G + system
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Re: Doping in the steam




by Flytox » 09/11/19, 00:10

NB: I have behind me a few years of driving on a circuit, which facilitates exercise in the event of slipping. NB2: over inflation allows better water evacuation and easier control recovery in the event of aquaplaning, but also on a stall because it happens earlier, and therefore easier to recover.

You increase your pleasure in driving (to catch the car) at the expense of handling ..., not everyone has your experience of the circuit, I think this advice (to overinflate) is not good / dangerous for everyone. :|

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Water injection is a basic option for turbines and industrial engines. A great classic. For electrical and magnetic treatments of fuel and plasma for the combustion of reactors, this is a trade secret. Very difficult to get information.

In 36 years of engine aeronautics, having had access to complete engine plans, parts produced / sold and having discussed a lot with development engineers (test bench), I have never seen a special electrical / magnetic device for "treat" the fuel. There are servos-motors, electro-valves, tonewheel sensors etc ... whose function is totally classic / known for dosing, measuring generator or free turbine speed etc ... The only trick " ambiguous "that I know (for non-specialists), it is the" magnetic "plug. Mounted mainly on the oil circuits rather than on the fuel circuits, but which serves only as an alert, to collect / warn of the presence of possible steel particles announcing a possible breakage or abnormal wear of a component (bearing, pinion etc ...).
If there is an electro / magneto machine fuel "treatment", I suppose it must be upstream (at the tanker), but not on the airframe or on the engine.


The ultrasonic misting that I tested works very well in town by driving torque with a powerful engine of large displacement and therefore also at low speed at reasonable speed, unlike the Pantone which requires a high load to produce the steam.

A Gillier Pantone, depending on how it's built, can also produce steam at relatively low revs. Its production somewhere follows the engine load. One of the difficulties is to produce the "right vapor" over a wide speed / load range.
But, as you point out, it would seem that the "effectiveness" of the "steam" is revealed rather for the heavy loads.
With a fogger, it is on or off, to monitor the engine load must you independently control x foggers?
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Re: Doping in the steam




by kistinie » 10/11/19, 10:18

Recent aircraft engines have nothing to do with old engines. For example they use vortex filters, and EM fuel treatment.

And again, if it didn't work, I couldn't have gotten significant reductions on my vehicles. My Golf6 TDI2.0, just with a magnetic treatment was at 5,1L / 100 at 130 and 4,2 at 80Km / h. Or less than the manufacturer's data in the homologation form.

As for the modulation of steam production, with my misters, there is none. The regulation is just that of the large displacement and the high torque at low speed which makes it possible to circulate at low speed, at low load, to shift the speeds to 1500Tr / mn.
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Re: Doping in the steam




by GuyGadebois » 10/11/19, 12:38

kistinie wrote:And again, if it didn't work, I couldn't have gotten significant reductions on my vehicles. My Golf6 TDI2.0, just with a magnetic treatment was at 5,1L / 100 at 130 and 4,2 at 80Km / h.

We still do not know exactly what it is like when you talk about "magnetic treatment".
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