Replace the bubbler with an electric injector system

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by muzo_31 » 16/11/05, 14:30

I took Meyer's patent with the diagram of the power part,
I put an impulse gene to drive the gate of the MOS.
Patent states that duty cycle is 50%
and I scanned in frequency ...
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by Sdc77 » 16/11/05, 15:42

And did you have a booster transformer with at least 200V in high school? 1 diode and 2 inductors + your electrolyser in series connected to the secondary of your transformer?
The diagrams of the essential sky website are zero, in the electronic part, you have Asl's scheme and there you have my diagram
Meyer's process uses high voltage, high frequencies and resonant RLC circuits, all tuned to the resonance frequency of water ...
For the moment we are testing, but here we are largely dividing the subject : Lol:
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by muzo_31 » 16/11/05, 17:16

Indeed, we deviate largely from the subject.
tell me where I can continue the chat with you and it will be my pleasure!

Otherwise, why do I mist my injector by making him eat SP95, and he makes jets with water?

I cannot increase the pressure too much because otherwise, the injector will no longer be suitable. I tried at 4 bar, it leaks a lot, but always spits out jets when the coil is energized :(
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by Sdc77 » 16/11/05, 17:38

Have you tried with other types of injectors? for example of diesel engine ... If it is, gasoline injectors for gasoline and diesel for water would do the trick?
In any case the pantone on TF1 went around my box, and as they all saw that I was hanging around in this sector, they all want to equip their body. So I'm going to get started and try on my side also with injector, it looks really promising, especially to be able to control the flow and manage perfectly the water / hydrocarbon ratio and therefore to be able to consider a real 100% pantone on a car instead of water doping : Wink:
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by muzo_31 » 17/11/05, 14:39

diesel injector : Shock: !!!
mesavapalatete!

I don't have a 150 + bar water pump to push the fleet!
is worse all this bo mechanism fears serious oxidation, it is good old scrap metal shoeing mules ...

it is petrol injector or nothing, in addition, the injection pump for diesel injector is not electrically controlled (it is a spring system, like a relief valve).

if you do not spray directly from the injector, you have to explore the way of Andre's sponge sprayer, with the injection system upstream ... but that remains a 2nd choice.
(sorry André, your idea is great, but the less mechanics, the better. You might as well understand why I don't spray directly)
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by Sdc77 » 17/11/05, 15:17

Hmmm mea culpa for the diesel injectors, I also said to myself that there was no electric wire connected to the bazaard :?
So at that time, possibly try to get yourself a small petrol injector, like those mounted on 125cc scooters inj 4T what do you think?
Do you have any information on injectors? for example their supply voltage, the opening time, the max and min pressure with which we can play, that interests me enough!
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by muzo_31 » 17/11/05, 16:23

I do not imagine too much difference between a gasoline injector for car or one for mob '.

the control voltage varies from 5 to 12V DC.
the pulse lasts about 2ms
the average current is relatively low (around 200mA, not more than the ampere in pulse)

operating pressures seem to be around 2 bars. I mounted one at 4 bars. It was leaking but still maneuvering by feeding the coil with a 9V battery. I do not imagine a long life in these conditions, anyway, it was not mist.
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by do you drive » 17/11/05, 18:00

Hello everybody
General characteristics of a standard petrol injector:
p = 2.5 to 3 bars
R = 12 to 15 Ohms
I = + - 0.9 A
Material = often stainless steel.
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by do you drive » 17/11/05, 18:19

I forgot,

Control frequency for a petrol injector:

1) Simultaneous injection (the 4 injectors at the same time):
- 4 injections per cycle (2 engine revolutions)

2) Semi-sequential injection (2 by 2):
- 2 injections per cycle

3) Phased sequential injection (1 by 1):
- 1 injection per cycle just before the admission phase)

A +
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by muzo_31 » 21/11/05, 10:16

This indeed corresponds to the characteristics of the specimen I have ...

No explanation for the fact that it sprays gasoline and not water?
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