Renault R19 D engine with pantone

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by Exceed » 26/12/05, 02:19

Sorry Charendome,
But I have the impression that your post turned to mayonnaise !!!!
I do not see much help from people with so much knowledge on the subject .... I am surprised that we can rot a post at this point .... Pantone on R19D becomes regulation and legislation as for the use "pmc" process !!!!
Bravo everyone !!!
Let's go back to we sheep or close this subject that I found very interesting for me, in any case.
Bye! Bye! And Merry Christmas ....
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by Other » 26/12/05, 04:02

Hello,
Stop thinking that there is a panton for a tailor-made R19, whatever, a Mercedes, a Peugeot, a Citroen
or on a Chevrolet, it's roughly the same design, for diesels it's mostly water doping
a 150mm long stainless steel rod of 12,7 or 14 mm in a stainless steel tube with a clearance of 1mm or slightly more max 1,5mm, it is a question of finding the most realistic place to accommodate the reactor in the part the warmest of the exhaust, to thermally isolate the whole, to make a bubbler according to the largest possible space, install a venturi in the intake manifold to have the maximum suction in the reactor, the bubbler must be heated either with engine water or exhaust, it must be as close as possible to the reactor to avoid condensation from the fog from the bubbler, and that's about it, if you walk on the forum you will have a wealth of information and what you do not understand, ask, there is always a good samaritan who will answer you and if it is not correct there are others who will take care of setting the record straight time.
Now the legality .. Personally I don't care, I install and I drive. The insurances here it is the government which assures us in the event of accident it is no fault if you crush a factory manager or a tramp the insurance pays the same amount
legal heirs, no court no lawyer. The only private insurance is for property damage.
If you have too much principle and you absolutely want to make a panton
find yourself a generator and put a pant or put it on a mower ...

My answer is personal, I don't waste time reading the laws it looks like collective labor agreements there are a lot of contradictory things, A life without risks is a flat life.
I have the temperament like ZAC, we have in common the sense of freedom, we are allergic to all the politicians who spend their time making laws over laws, finally understood that freedom is not given it takes ...

Andre
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by PITMIX » 26/12/05, 07:37

Good if not for the R19 it would be necessary that the interested himself put a STOP to the controversy (CHARENDOME : Shock: : Twisted: where are you :?: ).
What do you want to know ? I think that if you have opened a specific post for your car, it is because you are asking questions to which you have no answers in the forum on other posts.
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by Exceed » 26/12/05, 12:29

Hi André,
When you talk about liberties, know that you are talking to someone who hangs them, but with respect for others ... I think like you .... and certainly like Zac ... it's for sure !!!
I just intervened to refocus the speech on the origin of the post and if we ask questions which you have the impression to have answered 200 times, it is that we are acorns and that it takes time to understand, or when it is difficult to synthesize all the information .... for an uninitiated !!!
For the patching ... I sympathize !!!
Here, I start again .... What is the principle of Venturi? At first, I thought it was a brand of fuel !!! Link, diagram, photo of assembly ..... Sorry to be a rave in mechanics ... me, it is rather the electronic maintenance.
A + Serge.
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by Other » 26/12/05, 17:42

Hello
A venturi is a converging followed by a diverging
Generally it is placed in a gaseous or liquid counduit
It has the particularity when it is fairly well constructed not to make a great restriction in this duct, we can obtain a depression in this gas stream from 2 to 3 times more than the current depression in the duct
This old principle is used in carburetors, on certain
pump, especially for flow measurement in conduits
Bed on the forum I talked about it at length, and the construction is well documented, (it's just an accessory for the pants).

Andre
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by PITMIX » 26/12/05, 21:06

: Cry: Ah, so thin :!: however I tried to document my post as much as possible by telling myself that there were lots of answers to lots of questions. Among others the schemas of making a homemade venturi (maybe not the best) and links to sites of pro venturi. There is even a link to a diagram of the assembly of my Super 5 in 3D (well almost)
Have you really read my post? : Evil:
I grant you 18 pages that makes reading : Oops: but there are chapters to ZAPPINGbecause as in any post it leaves in lollipop some time?
ALLO T'ES OU CHARENDOME :?:
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by lau » 26/12/05, 21:16

zac says: if the judges send sheet metal all the guys who have changed the brand of tire on their car (loss of homologation therefore ban on public roads + insurance default).


Hi zac!

I inquired today, the change of brand is not a problem; it is the change in the original dimension of the tires that raises concerns :!:
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by charendome » 26/12/05, 23:58

Hello everyone.

first of all, I would like to apologize for having created a controversy on the legality of the system, for my part, I will do "civic disobedience", knowingly, and well aware of the problems of legislation. (voila, it's done!)

secondly, I admit to discovering the site, and I'm not yet quite used to browsing all forums, sorry to be new (but for us to move forward in the subject, maybe there are more and more people, and then there must be new ones !!)

last point (the only truth), I would like to know if it is necessary to increase the section of the exhaust pipe at the level of the reactor so as not to create an overpressure at the exhaust (I admit that in realistic technician, I thought I would do like this) especially since the exhaust pipe of the R19 is not very big.

Anyway, thank you all and we wish a little more tolerance towards all.
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by Other » 27/12/05, 00:22

Hello Charendome

A good question, which makes the engine specialists react
In order for the panton to receive sufficient heat, it is not necessary to
increase the flow of exhaust gases around the reactor
on the contrary it is necessary to make an intelligent restriction on the start of the reactor, ideally to make it a kind of convergent to channel. compress the heat on the reactor without exaggerating anyway, do it with the minimum of restriction.
what you need to know when you relax the exhaust gases they cool, when you compress the gases it heats up.
In the exhaust circuit it is at the passage of the valves and in the cylinder head that they are at their narrowest, In general we place the reactor in the original conduit, a restriction of 25% is completely acceptable even desirable for the operation of the reactor.
The restriction in the exhaust pipe is felt only when the engine is at full power (case of short duration on a car)
It should not be forgotten that the exhaust gases when they pass over an operational reactor lose half and more of their temperature so they are much less bulky at the end of the reactor.
In my case I push the extreme reduction, is around 50% around the reactor, the only drawback is when I drive fully for 5 minutes the engine temperature increases but not alarmingly.

Note that it is not you who pushed the legal side of the pantome on a car, I prefer not to approach this subject I could become unpleasant, when I hear prohibited .. I have the hairs which stand up .. I feels very much non-compliant.
Here it is a question of making the panton work well.

Taxation, displacement limits is an aberrence of politicians It should rather put limits on fuel consumption or engine performance and it is not necessarily related to displacement, we have very specific examples on American vehicles often the same vehicle consumes less with a V6 than with a
4 in line of smaller displacement.

Andre
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by charendome » 28/12/05, 11:09

hello everyone and thank you andré for your answer.

I will see the problem like that.

in terms of work, it is the catamaran !!!
since last week, I have been struggling with an alternator problem on the R 19. I no longer had a lap count, or rather, I had it from time to time. I ended up changing the alternator (standard exchange), but without more success, I still have the same problem. I checked the battery voltage, when starting around 12 v, after starting, you have to run long enough (about 5 min) for the charge to reach 14 v, moreover, past 13 v, the tachometer is start up, and at this moment, we feel that the engine takes turns all alone (living in the berry, I will orient myself towards a wizard !!!!!): twisted:
more this morning, the window is open, and impossible to reassemble (electric window)
I will end up "peter lead" :? , that's why I calm down on the computer.

good day to all.

ps: if someone has had this kind of failure or has an idea on this problem, especially that he does not hesitate, I would not be upset !! : roll:
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