Pantone mounting PATROL 3L3TD

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by Other » 13/06/07, 15:41

Hello

The turbo and the intercooler you will have to live with, these two items penalize the panton assembly, but provides a gain in efficiency on the engine so do not expect with the panton to have great performances.

the simple way is suction of atmospheric air for the bubbler
The GV the carburetor the injection what you will have chosen
and suction of the reactor in front of the turbo in addition to a venturi in front of the turbo the neck of the venturi must be equal to or less than the hole near the turbine (which is also a venturi)

It depends on what you want to do either new experiences, you have to expect failures and problems and learn a lot, or make a known system that
walk and improve it.
experience tells me that those who do montages and do not get results at the start (measurable) abound the project, there are exceptions Pitmix, André :D

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by Wonder TITI » 13/06/07, 16:35

Andre wrote:The turbo and the intercooler you will have to live with
IC has been added recently but I am not convinced of its effectiveness
Andre wrote:It depends on what you want to do either new experiences, you have to expect failures and problems and learn a lot, or make a known system that works and improve it.

It is true that I quite like the idea of ​​doing something innovative, but I think you have to know how to stop having fun and now I'm going to do like those who know.
Do you have an example of panton on TD engine that works well, with a diagram of the assembly?

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by Wonder TITI » 18/06/07, 10:16

Andre wrote:the simple way is suction of atmospheric air for the bubbler
The GV the carburetor the injection what you will have chosen
and reactor suction in front of the turbo in addition a venturi in front of the turbo the neck of the venturi must be equal to or less than the hole near the turbine (which is also a venturi)
In fact, I was afraid to put the outlet of the reactor before the turbo because I am afraid that Pantone gas will lose its velocity by crossing the turbo then the interco. And I also fear that the micro droplets will act as an abrasive on the turbo.
But if several people put the outlet of the reactor before the turbo, it must be good.
I have an existing nozzle at the outlet of the turbo, can I use it instead of a venturi. I would be under pressure rather than depression, like the diagram below:
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by zac » 18/06/07, 18:07

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The solution envisaged will hold the road (the other not), if you remove the pressure towards the bubbler.
just put a filter at the end of the pipe and let the bubbler break down in depression; otherwise you will have sudden changes in pressure and you will never be able to adjust your gas plant.

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by Wonder TITI » 18/06/07, 18:20

And by putting a pressure relief valve tared at 0,1 bar to go to the bulldozer?
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by Other » 18/06/07, 21:17

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But if several people put the outlet of the reactor before the turbo, it must be good.
I have an existing nozzle at the outlet of the turbo, can I use it instead of a venturi. I would be under pressure rather than depression, like the diagram below


Most like me we put in front of the turbo for simplicity, in the turbo it should not pass liquid water, only air and steam, it goes well with dripping oil used occasionally turbos the old downstream engines a little bit of what comes out through the breather
what enters the reactor must be moist air, not liquid water, a fortiori what usually comes out is above 100c

the turbo is not ideal for a panton, at the start it saves us on power and economy, so we should not expect to have the same% of efficiency as the atmospheric engines

In turbo output at low speed you have depression and at 2000 rpm it starts to pressurize manage this, poses some small difficulties .. made a traditional assembly, simple, which works and after if you want to improve it have fun at all pressurize it, it's nothing but modifications of accessories, you don't touch anything of the reactor.
With a carburetor I tried to blow with the turbo in the inlet of the reactor, I did not have enough success to continue in this way .. (to say that this or this is better, it is necessary to first a system that works, then compare it in another way on the same vehicle and for that it takes a long time in front of you and a lot of energy to devote to the system)
In our assemblies we must seek simplicity with our small means and our small skills, after all we are for the most part small handymen ..

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by Wonder TITI » 19/06/07, 13:29

Ok for the stitching before the turbo, especially since my engine is strong; we find it on old TP : Cheesy:

I was also afraid that the pantone gas would lose its velocity by making the whole trip => turbo + tube + interco + tube + admission, and also that it recondens with the interco ...

But if you have already done it and it works, there is no reason why it does not work with me!

I would do a new stitching before the turbo and I would tell you the differences.

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by Wonder TITI » 18/07/07, 11:06

Hi everyone, a lot of work right now, no time to work on the reactor.
Well, that's it, my new version is finished.

Here is my old version:
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and here is the news:
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and a small diagram:
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The temperatures:
at 90km / h = around 80 ° C
at 110km / h = around 105 ° C
I rarely go beyond 110km / h

The pressure in the bubbler is that of the turbo:
at 90km / h = about 0.2bar
at 110km / h = about 0.35bar

The assembly is too recent for a possible consumption.

As I changed another parameter (independent of pantone), I cannot overestimate the gain in terms of power, flexibility for the moment.

By cons I do not trust my water level regulation by automatic drain.

What is the best solution for simple regulation.

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by Christophe » 18/07/07, 11:20

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by Wonder TITI » 18/07/07, 12:46

Sorry big chef, I promise I won't do it anymore ...
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