Doping an internal combustion engine with water vapor

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Re: Doping in the steam




by Flytox » 28/06/16, 23:00

Christophe wrote:Uh ... when you say "0.4.1.1.1 Motor energy: Not consistent with the identification document (s)." ... it is a "human" or mechanical classification (defect on the board computer) ?

0.4.1. it is the number of the question / paragraph of the computer "questionnaire" to which he answers with a sort of big "remote control". It is his assessment that the car does not correspond to the type of energy declared (Diesel).

On the Dolorean there is no on-board computer (1992).
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Re: Doping in the steam




by Flytox » 28/06/16, 23:06

chatelot16 wrote:first solution change of shop of technical control ... he need customer, he is not all so psychorigid!

Another thing to remember to do: get your first controller to finish his job! if he refused, he must explain clearly why in a written document that can be shown to whom it is necessary ... it is not necessary to leave him peace until he has written what is needed


Not sure it's that simple ... I seem to remind me that they have means of "retaliation" / (denunciation?), I will study that ....
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Re: Doping in the steam




by Christophe » 28/06/16, 23:20

Flytox wrote:On the Dolorean there is no on-board computer (1992).


Bah Flytox ??? Just go to 2100 and mount a Mr Fusion on it, the onboard computer will be offered with this kit, I've been there! : Cheesy:
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Re: Doping in the steam




by chatelot16 » 29/06/16, 09:33

you can also just dismount what is easy to dismount, water tank, electrical wire, pump, and leave in place what is mounted in a sealed way on the duct and admission
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Re: Doping in the steam




by Flytox » 29/06/16, 22:41

chatelot16 wrote:you can also just dismount what is easy to dismount, water tank, electrical wire, pump, and leave in place what is mounted in a sealed way on the duct and admission


There are changes everywhere, rarely discrete, on the electric harness, the injection pump, the air filter, the LDR circuit, the GO circuit, the intake pipes, the exhaust, the recycling circuit 'oil...
Additions, water tank, solenoid valves, pressure switch, pumps, filters, thermocouples, manometer, water and GO flowmeter, electrical control box, thermal insulators ..... In short, even without being a specialist, the first question that comes up it's: "What is all this stuff ???"
Seen from the point of view of the type of CT, a question by bringing another, then a new discovery visible modif by bringing another, I realize that this car will push others to Technical Control. The type to be afraid at the rate or each year I added modifs, he did not want to cover that anymore.
In addition I do not have enough original parts in stock (and in the corner breaks) to go back especially for the exhaust and all admission.

It's a bit of a dead end, maybe it's time to think about the aftermath of Dolorean. Persevering to make a "rolling bench" of this car may not be a good idea. Between the regulatory problems (TC), the risk (no insurance in case of cardboard with injuries of 1/3), the inadequacy of driving in traffic while controlling the steam boiler with the other hand, and my improvements in consumption which have peaked for several years at around 10% with the means implemented (instrumentation) ...
Maybe going to a different engine, fixed, smaller, mountable on an amateur engine bench, much easier to instrument / modify, will be a better choice. (mower, pump, generator ...)
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Re: Doping in the steam




by izentrop » 29/06/16, 23:13

With a car in circulation, it is almost impossible to obtain reliable measurements, there are so many criteria that influence the measurements, the generator is the ideal. Only one parameter can be varied at a time and exactly the power / energy ratio can be measured without ambiguity. Moreover, I remember a study on test bench at the mining school of Douai, without convincing results http://forums.futura-sciences.com/techn ... douai.html.

Of course, it was not the pantone gilliers, but it is only under these conditions that a comparative test with or without a reactor can be validated
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Re: Doping in the steam




by Flytox » 30/06/16, 23:41

izentrop wrote:With a car in circulation, it is almost impossible to obtain reliable measurements, there are so many criteria that influence the measurements, the generator is the ideal. Only one parameter can be varied at a time and exactly the power / energy ratio can be measured without ambiguity.

When we have big means (budget), we can install the instrumentation that goes well on a car and make measures that hold the road. Otherwise you have to do with a big uncertainty of measurement, a lot of km and averages (which can be questionable).

Moreover, I remember a study on test bench at the mining school of Douai, without convincing results http://forums.futura-sciences.com/techn ... douai.html.

Of course, it was not the pantone gilliers, but it is only under these conditions that a comparative test with or without a reactor can be validated


This "Douai mining school" is not necessarily a good example, these young engineers are sympathetic, but the need to reinvent the wheel while ignoring those who cleared the land before them has led them directly into the wall (push open doors without moving the schimblick forward). The Pantone is not understood, modeled, parameterized, on grounded physical / mathematical models which stick to the observed phenomena etc ... When all the significant parameters are to be discovered / interpreted, the "total" improvisation of a prototype gives totally random results (it doesn't work and we don't know why), while copying an existing Pantone, even "walking" cuts out a large part of the beginner's errors to be avoided and a certain number of "deleterious" settings. (it works and we don't know why). They have laid a prototype that does not stand up, having neither the time (during their "lab") to: understand the operation, analyze the big design errors, try to modify "in the right direction ". AMHA there is a big mistake from the start on how to approach the problem, you can't measure / compare what you can't even produce.
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Re: Doping in the steam




by Flytox » 02/07/16, 23:12

The best: For a few months, the Dolorean was starting capricious (it was necessary to insist heavily on the starter or the engine was just (a ride?) Before caller.I changed several times the starter, battery a few connections ( neiman mort), the problem came back from time to time without warning.The life of the batteries seemed more and more weak yet with an alternator that worked well.

Finally, found the real breakdown. The head gasket is dead and the oil goes into the LDR, yet the oil remains clean (no mayonnaise in the low engine). At all times, the LDR passes into a cylinder and blocks the piston at first compression. From the time of the problem that would explain the series of dead batteries (internal short circuit) to force to pass a compression on a cylinder full of LDR.

In the story this does not improve the accuracy of the conso readings with one or more cylinders that have not missed the opportunity to degrade their performance. :frown:
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Re: Doping in the steam




by Janic » 08/05/17, 08:08

http://www.moteurnature.com/28883-fev-t ... e-audi-tts

By launching its BMW M4 GTS, the propeller brand opened a breach. BMW has proven that water injection can improve combustion in a gasoline engine. And since then, even if the gains are modest, motorists around the world can no longer ignore this topic ....
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Re: Doping in the steam




by izentrop » 08/05/17, 09:32

Hello,
What is proven is the gain in power thanks to water cooling (logic). Moreover it is announced in the title "the combustion cooled by water on an Audi TTS"
At equal power the engine may be reduced in weight and volume, or probable gain in consumption, provided that only a reasonable quantity of water : Wink:

It is in the air of time, manufactured products are increasingly lightened in raw material.
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