Doping 508d steamed with a RETROKIT: NO RESULTS

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by jime » 29/04/08, 09:48

Bonjour à tous

Back on my doping that doesn't work !!

Here is an email exchange with hypnow which completes my decision to transfer the retrokit

jime wrote:I send you this email to express my dismay.
After many modifications on my 508, first the PVC bubbler then a steel bubbler (5% savings) bubbling temperature 65-70 ° then a 10% saving gvi, all this work took me many weeks and it's quite disappointing.

Especially since I just mounted a homemade G-Pantone on my car in 5 days including tests for a saving of 25% !!

All my results are freely available here

https://www.econologie.com/forums/dopage-a-l ... t5180.html

https://www.econologie.com/forums/dopage-d-u ... t4717.html

This subject is 17 pages long, that is to say that the digital ink flowed in 3 months, I am advised by people who get up to 30% savings from GO.

For the moment I am going to remove the retrokit of the 508 to replace it with a homemade reactor without touching my settings of GVI, nozzles and jets, I will keep you informed of the results, from there I will see if it is I who realized a bad assembly or if it is the retrokit which has a bad performance or badly studied.

First point to review, the part of the retrokit exposed to heat is not optimal, it is necessary that the reactor outlet is placed at the hottest point to allow relaxation of the gas mixture.

Have you had significant results with the PVC bubbler, personally I only reached a bubbling temperature of 30 °

hypnow wrote:As I warned you, it is difficult to predict savings
with mounting on vehicles. Some do more than 30% while
others barely 5% with the same arrangements.

To reassure you, some people have tried on camoins (PL)
without any results, apart from just an increase in power in
climb. While it is easy to make 30 to 50% on an agricultural engine
or industrial.

I offer 2 technical solutions to try to improve
results:
1) increase the exhaust gas passage section at the
reactor, because the 508D's exhaust pipe is already small and
it is now flanged by the reactor (ditto on the vito)., this
is a cause of overconsumption.
2) insulate the exhaust pipe to increase the T ° while driving and
improve the efficiency of the reactor.

Also know that we get the best results on engines
working at steady speed and load.


jime wrote:Hello,
I'm still amazed at the difference in results by comparing
the mounting I made on my Montego rover.

For the clamping of the exhaust, I doubt it, because on my car I created
voluntary restriction on reactor exit and I get 25%
saving on road and expressway, I will make a long journey tomorrow
on highway.

For thermal insulation I thought about it but always when I compare
with the results on my car knowing that the reactor is 80cm from the
collector and without insulation I don't think I will see a big
change.

I would like my results to be published on your site, because it does not appear
not clear that we can save only 5% and you warned me
once the kit ordered, I remember it very well!, if it had been
before ...

So I come to delete my retrokit to replace it with a reactor
of my manufacture, for vehicle with variable speed and load.

You will be informed of my next results and we will draw the
appropriate conclusions.


In conclusion, it is only mine, don't buy the retrokit, buy yourself a pipe instead, you can at least make music !!
I understood when I discovered their site that they had a different approach to all marketing, I was wrong.


I have prepared a template for the future reactor for the 508, in terms of the vitry c15, I still have 2-3 questions to settle about stainless steel welding. Then I will compare my results in due course and advise
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by jime » 07/05/08, 20:24

Hello

I could have finished this subject on a positive note, failing that, I will try to laugh about it.

Hypnow killed me ..... my bank account and the worst is that I do not help the planet, yes I remember that HYPNOW means Help Your Planet Now, but for that it would still be necessary that the retrokit accepts at less to clean up ..

The only thing I have Helped Now is their bank account.

I feel like a pigeon that has just been crushed in a car, you don't have a few seeds, to your good heart, ladies and gentlemen.

I don't know who told me at the beginning of this topic that we were going to advertise them -> Future buyer goes your way, you will avoid many setbacks

That the retrokit works for some, perhaps, but 10% of customers, and still I would like to be proven by A + B, they say, it will not be enough, I admit I have exhausted my capital trust in this commercial company.

It makes me smile these pseudo engineers who are completely released. I really had to know nothing to fall into their trap. Then they didn't put my knife under my throat, but they play on a thin board. When you tell them that the retrokit has no return, they tell you it's normal and they keep selling it, everyone will be able to judge this behavior.

On this I return to my house pantone much more rewarding !!
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by fede el fada » 12/05/08, 11:05

Hello Jime,
What a disappointment!
Your last 2 messages leave me speechless ... but I can still write : Mrgreen:
I understand your position and I must say that I am not far from it!
I still don't have any significant results and stopped calling hypnow. The only thing that gives me hope is the mounting of my colleague with the fogger. I think I'm going to order one and get started, I really have to try this before the total despair.
Still 100 € to invest in the blur but if it does not improve anything I tell myself that I can always resell it on ebay.
Right now I'm in the bi-fuel system and a lot of other things too. Suddenly, it drags ...

--- Only those who do nothing make no mistakes ---
It is a maxim that I always have in mind in what I undertake and which helps me to accept that it does not turn out as I hoped, the Coué method in a way.

I will of course keep you informed as soon as it is ready, but it's not for now.
In the meantime, good luck with your tests, Jime. I am wholeheartedly with you.

See you soon.

Fred
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by Other » 13/05/08, 02:06

Hello

It would be interesting to know why it does not work
and to have bell tones from those who have a results
On what type of route, water consumption, ect.
Know the quantity sold or built .. we should hear about it.

it is the assembly of my colleague with the fogger. I think I'm going to order one and get started, I really have to try this before the total despair.
Still 100 € to invest in the blur but if it does not improve anything I tell myself that I can always resell it on ebay.


Borrow that of your colleague for a weekend and take a great test trip, you will be fixed before buying

In water doping there are 3 parts to consider
What enters the reactor (the most important) the way in that enters the intake manifold and the reactor (the least important)




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by jime » 13/05/08, 04:48

Hello

It would be interesting to know why it does not work


Maybe the reactor outlet temperature, I have a much higher temperature with the artisanal reactor, the retrokit does not heat up enough?

Or the constant level which sends too much water and drowns the reactor, yet I tried different levels of water consumption, from almost nothing to 2L / h

Then at the reactor outlet, I had a 12x14 tube, maybe too big, but I also tried an 8x10
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by jime » 27/05/08, 17:18

Hello

Happy outcome for my apple, after a fuss with all the devils, hypnow offers to reimburse me for the retrokit, which I obviously accepted.
The package leaves tomorrow ..
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by fede el fada » 28/05/08, 07:18

Hello Jime, hello everyone,

Good news. You must have made a hell of a devil indeed.
Regarding mine, I moved it.
18cm closer to the engine and reactor outlet hose shortened by 30cm. No change of consumption!
Suddenly, I clamped the outlet of the air filter from 55mm in diameter to 38mm.
The bubbling is much more intense. Test in process.
If I still have no results, I will remove the flange and install a fogger.
My colleague drove a little without a fogger, with the simple bubbler and his retrokit did nothing. Everything is in this bubbler apparently.
I'll keep you informed.

Fred
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by jime » 18/08/08, 16:07

Hello

I received a full refund for the retrokit at the end of July ....
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by denis » 18/08/08, 16:47

awesome ! nobody understands, it works, not always, it's an anti-bizness process :D
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by jime » 13/09/08, 17:52

In any case it's honest on their part, I owe them that, he could have told me Niet
but as you say it must not be easy to sell a dui product gives good results in one and no results in another
and yet it's not for lack of having spent time there for the settings
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