Renault Super 5 doped water

[elephant]

tried, no, it's a little too expensive.

scum a lot of forums, Yes.

I have good reason to believe that it is almost impossible to go below the consumptions of recent HDi-TDi, with simple means, the injection system pushing the maximum fuel spraying. The decrease of conso or the increase of power is moreover close to that which can bring a doping.

The other part of the problem is that these mills are so expensive and sophisticated that I do not know many people ready to test these engines, also very satisfactory. For the HDi-TDi, maybe the hydrogen doping could improve a little, still it will be necessary to finish with the electronic control of the injection to reach it.

By cons, if you have a motor that consumes a lot, it is clear that there is a lot of chances that you can improve its performance (like that of the famous tractor that consumed ... 23 liters, see site quanthomme)

what I mean, ultimately:

where you have an unsophisticated engine that consumes a lot and time to devote: dark!

where you have a sophisticated engine that consumes in the most modern standards and I shout: daredevil, unless you really have a lot of research budget, the slightest "accident" can cost much more than the economy expected.

when your clio engine, its consumption is not miraculous for the weight and Cx of the car. It is an atmospheric, so it is improvable, so you have to evaluate the risk in relation to the absolute benefit

[PITMIX]

Hello
On my crate I have a simple engine that consumes a max and for now it is not thanks to the pantone that I manage to save fuel. Sometimes I wonder if it would not be easier to put a single body carburetor with the collector that fits, instead of the current double body. What is strange is that even not asking the accelerator too much consumption is too high for a vehicle of this size. There is really only by making a comparison motorway and city that I note a difference of conso.
The installation of a gasoline meter allowed me to understand how much consumption is important in the city during the start-ups. The speedometer goes higher between 0 and 40km / h during a start, than at 120km / h stabilized.

[Other]

Hello Pit
You do not need to lay down a single body carburetor
normally a double body carburetor when you walk on the small one is more favored than a simple body. you just have to disconnect the mechanically the big one, and you'll live with the acceleration that the little one will give you! you will see that it rolls like 120kmh but it is longer to come.
Another method ecela depends on the guy on the pedal when the second body embarks pedal hardened lightly to you not to go that's all.
The economy with panton is when the engine runs in bad combustion conditions and these conditions are completely opposed on a diesel and gasoline ..
As for the breather
you do not have to worry if the engine is healthy (not a pump of oil) and in the case of a petrol engine the heat of the reactor is almost always enough to prevent the clogging of the stem, this which is not the case on a diesel that is adventurous that pumps oil, and that you use for short trips.
Most modern engines swallow the crankcase gases.
On a gasoline engine the reactor can work very well and you can not save,
the example most often found when the Lambda probe aged it runs the engine slightly richer, the engine pulls more developpement more power and it looks like it works better, and it's true but it consumes more ...
You have at least one engine clean oil is spark plug system exhaust ..

Andre

[lau]

I have good reason to believe that it is almost impossible to go below the consumptions of recent HDi-TDi, with simple means, the injection system pushing the maximum fuel spraying. The decrease of conso or the increase of power is moreover close to that which can bring a doping.

The other part of the problem is that these mills are so expensive and sophisticated that I do not know many people ready to test these engines, also very satisfactory. For the HDi-TDi, maybe the hydrogen doping could improve a little, still it will be necessary to finish with the electronic control of the injection to reach it.

By cons, if you have a motor that consumes a lot, it is clear that there is a lot of chances that you can improve its performance (like that of the famous tractor that consumed ... 23 liters, see site quanthomme)

what I mean, ultimately:

where you have an unsophisticated engine that consumes a lot and time to devote: dark!

where you have a sophisticated engine that consumes in the most modern standards and I shout: daredevil, unless you really have a lot of research budget, the slightest "accident" can cost much more than the economy expected.

when your clio engine, its consumption is not miraculous for the weight and Cx of the car. It is an atmospheric, so it is improvable, so you have to evaluate the risk in relation to the absolute benefit

Well summarized and fully agree!

[denis]

Hello
On my crate I have a simple engine that consumes a max and for now it is not thanks to the pantone that I manage to save fuel. Sometimes I wonder if it would not be easier to put a single body carburetor with the collector that fits, instead of the current double body. What is strange is that even not asking the accelerator too much consumption is too high for a vehicle of this size. There is really only by making a comparison motorway and city that I note a difference of conso.
The installation of a gasoline meter allowed me to understand how much consumption is important in the city during the start-ups. The speedometer goes higher between 0 and 40km / h during a start, than at 120km / h stabilized.

hello, for your r5, I think it's with a box auto, on these model it is 1l / 100 more qe box mecha. you took it into account?
as for the "super" hdi engine, I do not agree at all.
elephant is one of you at psa? , for touting these engine!
this type of engine smokes as much as a traditional well-regulated, for the consumption, a "chouilla" less, reliability and blow of maintenance in + and of the breaks, frequent by relation to the old generation!
I had the choice when buying my last car, I took TDI rather than the HDI, 6 years later I do not regret! At Ford, it's reliable, but the electrical problem! from, not to the engine, but to the multiplexing, the plagues of new cars. For the maintenance of the last Ford: like the others, for an oil gas filter concession, a multi-brand yet good, almost failed to get there! a friend, head of a green light, parreil, even in concession, he drool!
we have fiddled a special device to purge the circuit (conssecion he does not know the trick )
all that to be obliged to go in conssecion, for the slightest emptying (emptying simple: 150 € !!!)
It is true that, even on the other hand, to transform an HDI, the day of the maintenance in consseciont, the hair will train , and this will be an excuse for any breakdowns even a wheel bearing or a flat tire

[PITMIX]

Hi Denis
There are more 50 pages in my post but the first ones talk about my car and its excessive consumption. Double body car box and comparison of consos with other users with a similar super5 in meca box, single and double body carburetors. Result from our estimates my car should consume between 9 and 10L in town. It's the case.
Also look at the 16 page of my post I talk about 5,8l / 100km on stabilized speed highway on 57km.
André for now I'm waiting to see how my car behaves with the system before modifying anything.
For now I have not really noticed any difference between reactors in service and stopped, but my water injector is so fine that it clogs regularly and falsifies my tests.

[SixK]

Pitmix, to gain consumption on your R5, you could not start the base

Setting the wealth, on the 21 is just a small screw to adjust left side on the back of the carb to deplete.

Then you can change your power cables.
It's supposed to change every 50 000 Km.

Good Candles, NGK Mets.
And finally, a new air filter ...

10l / 100km, even in town it seems to me huge for a R5 1,4l ... it's about what my 21 (1,7l) does when it makes courses less than 5 Km ...

SixK

[Other]

Hello, Pit

The principle is good, but it takes water to pass in a filter before injector (I put a gasoline filter of small engine must I change it quite regularly even more if the water becomes hot)
I walk with a small water carburettor on the 300D and the hole is significantly bigger than your injector and it clogs despite the filter j, I made a small needle that I pass regularly when see that the temperature of the reactor outlet climbed either it's stuffy or the water supply is empty.

For sixk
I do not know if you have carburetors different from the ones we have here, whether it's a Weber or a Solex or a zenith stromberg
the small aims with a spring on the side is only enriched idle (There is a small carburetor very rustic for the idle on all (large) carburetor that opens the other side of the butterfly in the high depression of the slow, he become active as soon as the pappillon opens ..


The wealth on a standard carburetor is the main jet, it is numbered. The racing maniacs change them according to the altitude and temperature in view to increase the performances, although all this was lost with the engines injections.

Andre

[PITMIX]

Hello
Bizzare I have not been warned of the messages.
It does not matter.
For settings carbu I have done several times but as I'm not mechanic impossible to say if it's good. In any case it has not changed anything to the conso.
I too use a small fuel filter on the water system before the jet. But I think it's just the oxidation that is blocking my water jet. I may have found the solution by putting some grease at the end of the nozzle.
I have a very simple experience:
By following the advice of "LaurentdeLaon".
I squeezed steam on the super 5 carburetor with a paint paper stripper.
The engine slows slightly when I send the steam over the second body of the carburetor.
Listen closely by watching the following video:
VIDEO STEAM ON R5
This is the first time that I observe an effect directly related to a steam injection and leaves no doubt.
On a 406TD 90CV engine when sending steam into the intake the noise becomes less important. While the air sleeve is disassembled as the air filter the noise is as if smothered. As soon as I stop the steam engine noise becomes more cavernous.
Try with your steam iron, your Vaporetto or other things like that.

[elephant]

you have an idea of ​​the consumption of this vaporetto?

1) in KW
2) in liters of water per hour