Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on the water doping

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Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on the water doping




by croustipat » 05/06/13, 23:36

A documentary is being filmed since 3 years on the technology of water doping.

You can find all the information by clicking on the following link:
http://www.ulule.com/roulez-a-leau/

A subscription request was launched on 31 May and until 24 July 2013 in order to raise funds to finish this movie. Thank you in advance for your support and do not hesitate to rotate around you.

The trailer of the film is visible on youtube:
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by Christophe » 05/06/13, 23:41

Hi Patrick,

I had already made a topic on your documentary here: Water injection-motor-pantone / docu-on-doping al-water-builder-car-know-t12565.html by passing the message of the email that you sent me.

So that's a bit of a duplication there but we will leave the 2 open anyway :)

ps: I talked about your documentary on the newsletter of the forum (sent to the current 15285 members), you should be able to finish it :)
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping




by gildas » 01/12/17, 13:16

The film "Water in diesel"
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping




by Christophe » 01/12/17, 13:37

Cool! But it's still a shame that no member of these forums has not been interviewed ... Because it is all the same here that we find the best specialists on the subject! In short...

ps: do not bother to use the URL tag with youtube links (with none for that matter) ... As this the video is displayed directly in the forum :)
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping




by Grelinette » 05/12/17, 19:48

I watched the movie to the end (1 h anyway! It's a bit long when we wait for technical information), but I'm not sure that this little film serves the cause of the Doping water .

First because the humorous side, certainly well done and very amusing, comes in contradiction with the seriousness of the subject.

Then because only the last 10 minutes of the film (over 60 minutes) give more concrete arguments on the subject and provide some answers but which remain unproven (Cf. the hydrocarbon molecules which would unroll with the electrically charged water and would burn better, if I understood correctly).

In addition, there are statements that sow doubt: auto mechanics who say that thousands of engineering and design offices work tirelessly to get the smallest% of fuel economy and% gaining power ... while the simple doping with water implemented on tractors by a farmer in the depths of his campaign gets tinkering in his small workshop at the bottom of his shed, almost 30% saving on its consumption and gaining power on its engines !!!!!

It would have been more convincing to leave this farmer, who says he had received several teams of automotive engineers, and to dissect his crafts to really know what it was. (Not to mention allusions to the Pentone engineer, his complex personality and who would have been pursued for scams and made some stays in psychiatric hospital ...)

In the end, the conclusion directs opinions more on a possible conspiracy theory of oil lobbies and car manufacturers who would do anything to stifle the many benefits of water doping, and whenever it is implied that there is a "plot" the debate gets lost in irrelevant considerations with conflicting exchanges. (maybe it is a strategy?)

I admit that I was a little bit hungry without knowing what to think about doping, especially since a long part of the film tells the bench tests in the laboratory giving results that do not confirm the results. benefits of water doping.
I do not understand the conclusion that standard measurement methods of official measurement centers would not be adapted to the principle of water doping, which would explain why the benefits of water doping do not appear. on measuring bench !!! ...

I hope that the next report will be more focused on the technical aspects of water doping with indisputable measures and results.

This subject is difficult because there are really contradictions, and I do not know how one can come to prove the reality of this process indisputably.

Perhaps by simply organizing races and shows of vehicles equipped with the water doping system that competes and is measured with similar vehicles without a water doping system?

Why not "The 24h of doping in water"?
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping




by Grelinette » 13/12/17, 12:45

Hello,

I reactivate this subject because I note with astonishment that the "extraordinary" advantages of water doping announced by some is only equaled by the lack of interest and the denial it arouses in others, including among automobile engine manufacturers! ... : Shock:

So I come back to my previous comment because I'm looking for an objective explanation, but I can not explain why bench tests have not highlighted the benefits of water doping !
The response advanced in the video that "the test benches are not suitable for this type of system"doesn't seem very credible to me. Does anyone have another explanation?

To determine any advantage of this system, simply measure and compare 3 values ​​(comparison of values ​​with the same engine with and without Pentone *). Even if only one of the 3 would be advantageous, this system would be worth to be better studied and developed.

In short, with the water doping installed on a heat engine, when is it on:
- The power gain?
- The decline in consumption?
- The decrease of pollution?


(*) A small technical question: water doping requires a water tank, but if the water tank is empty, can the Pentone engine still work?

In other words, can the Pentone system be turned off for the engine to return to its original operation?
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping




by Christophe » 13/12/17, 13:50

I reassure you the engine (at least the not too null because of nulls it exists ^ ^) are aware of the injection of water, its advantages and disadvantages ...

Grelinette wrote:So I come back to my previous comment because I'm looking for an objective explanation, but I can not explain why bench tests have not highlighted the benefits of water doping !
The response advanced in the video that "the test benches are not suitable for this type of system"doesn't seem very credible to me. Does anyone have another explanation?


I seem to have given it many years ago, so I will repeat myself but it is for the good cause ... thank you for relaying this info (citing this message or econology is better ...)

The water doping works OK (I speak at the consumption level, on the particles it works all the time) only when the engine is very loaded, ie it is asked a lot of power, I would say at least 80% of maximum powerSo it's huge, on a car of 100 cv it means to drive at 170-180 km / h ... since driving at 100 km / h only requires 20 30 cv power (hey yes ...)

The tests I started on 2005 on a tractor, it was necessary that the muffler is red to measure an effect (memory I think 35% reduction in consumption ... red pot!)!

It is to situate you the thing ...

In short, it takes high temperature for this to work!

Be sure that the builders' engineers know all this (but they do not want to say it ... for some reason I do not know ... follow my look ...:D) ...

This easily explains:

a) The little or no measurable results on the cars because we do not pull enough in it (except at big accelerations) + absence of electronic management

b) Lack of generator result because the engine never exceeds 80% load for design reasons (over-sized motor of at least 20% relative to the generator to absorb peak current and avoid engine stall)

c) Good results on tractors because they can work "hard"

d) The cycles on the test bench are rarely done at high load, especially the standardized cycles of the manufacturers, one is satisfied to make "peaks" of power in order not to damage the engine (a tractor engine, therefore industrial engine is designed to run 100% "all the time", not an automobile engine) anyway who has access to a real bench to get things done? That the engine manufacturers and they do not want this system ...

e) The use of water injection officially on heavily loaded engines: 2ieme GM fighter, 1 formulas from 80 years ... See:

BMW Megatron: Water-injection engine pantone / bmw-megatron-turbo petrol-1450ch-and-a-injection of water-t14238.html
Water injection by SAAB: https://www.econologie.com/injection-eau-moteur-saab/
Water injection by BMW in 2015: Water injection-motor-pantone / injection of water-misted-in-bmw-on-a-turbo petrol-t13753.html

f) Last remark: the race to the power of the car manufacturers is, necessarily, not favorable to the use of the injection of water, the engines are less and less solicited

Thank you for sharing this message if you want to get things done ...

Too bad I was not interviewed for this movie ... because I would have clearly explained this in person ...
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping




by Christophe » 13/12/17, 14:00

Grelinette wrote:(*) A small technical question: water doping requires a water tank, but if the water tank is empty, can the Pentone engine still work?

In other words, can the Pentone system be turned off for the engine to return to its original operation?


Pantone that is written ... : Shock: but the water injection is not really the pantone system it is gillier pantone (term that was defined here years ago to distinguish it from "100% pantone" which is a reforming of fuel vapors ), read https://www.econologie.com/synthese-fai ... r-pantone/

To answer your remark, if more water then the injection of water is obviously null:

a) the effect at high temperature is limited to the humidity of the ambient air (not necessarily negligible)
b) there remains an effect of "water cleaning" which will persist for some time
c) this effect will stop after a few hundred or thousands of km (depending on engine technology and use)
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Re: Patrick Lefrere: documentary film on water doping




by gildas » 13/12/17, 19:19

Christophe wrote:...

Water doping works OK (I'm talking about consumption, on the particles it works all the time) ...


Yes and pollution measurements made on a Fiat diesel (water-doped) at Véritas for the designers of The Econokit is representative of the French car fleet. Well seen the makers of éconokit!
See here the measurements made on the Fiat:
BUREAU_VERITAS_ECONOKIT_RAPPORT.pdf
(1.63 million) Downloaded times 1550

In short: 27% diesel savings and very strong reduction of pollution and engine parts protected from scale. FAP and EGR it can be thousands of euros if clogged! qed ..


Do not forget also the cleaning effect of the engine made by water vapor!

On my Kangoo drops pollution to almost 100% particles with water doping!

Grelinette has only installed a kit to realize the effectiveness of doping with water.

PS: I do not sell a kit.
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