Doping an internal combustion engine with water vapor

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View tigrou_838 » 09/09/10, 15:10

hi, would anyone have any news on it:

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View Flytox » 09/09/10, 21:22

Hello Tigger

that reminds me of patent n ° GB191144 of 04.01.1923
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For the bike, it seems that the bubbler is heated by the coolant given its location, and the reactor looks like a Hypnow "Retrokit nano". For the production of hydrogen, we would need proof ... : Mrgreen:
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View Flytox » 09/09/10, 21:33

Gildas wrote:In fact, the vapors of the LDR would essentially contain water because this principle of recovering the vapors of the LDR is similar to distillation, so the components separate: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distillation

The boiling point of the LDR antifreeze is 190 ° so will remain in the vase http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquide_de_refroidissement

The additives in your document are mainly salts or solids
or made with these (separable from the LDR at 80 °) and not necessarily present in all LDRs.

However, I don't know about the other additives.: Cry:

It would be necessary to have the boiling point of each additive and the composition of the LDR!

Too bad we can not easily take advantage of this steam from the cooling circuit, because there would only be demineralized water to add to the vase with the same advantages as the VIX system!


When you heat your LDR it makes a fog when it is in contact with the air, we can clearly see it when a car has just had an accident and has pierced its radiator, you have a big white and acrid smoke, which is escapes. I guess it's not just water vapor but a mist of LDR droplets. So the engine would also eat some of the chemistry of additives present in the LDR.

The combustion of ethylene glycol is not a trivial matter of pollution, propylene glycol is less polluting. (I no longer find the link :frown: )
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View gildas » 10/09/10, 16:07

It's true in an accident, but the way the engine is dislocated
the LDR can touch very hot parts.
Anyway I give up this idea because I saw on another link
that ethylene glycol heated to only 65 ° C emits vapors
harmful ...
http://www.reptox.csst.qc.ca/Produit.asp?no_produit=41103&nom=MONOETHYLENE+GLYCOL&incr=0

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View Other » 10/09/10, 16:31

Hello

I suppose that several who have made montages we made the same test as I did
Either with a heated bubbler at the exhaust, disconnect the pipe that goes to the reactor, and go directly with the steam in the engine, trying different flow rates, different nozzles.
If this had given good performance, it would have been a long time since the reactor took to the railroad.
Personally I am for simplicity and the minimum of parts, and I would like to do without the rod tube in the exhaust .. but this is not the case.
Like many assemblers, I asked myself many questions about the suitability of the reactor. It is not because we cannot explain the internal functioning that we can affirm that it is useless.

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View Alain G » 10/09/10, 16:54

Hello André!

Isn't this the restriction that raises the exhaust gases to a higher temperature to better evaporate the water?

Did you try without the rod with a smaller diameter pipe well insulated to see if the result is the same?

Impossible for me to test because I don't have a diesel engine but I know that when the weather is very wet a gasoline engine has much more force!
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View oiseautempete » 10/09/10, 22:37

Alain G wrote:I know that when the weather is very wet a gasoline engine has much more force!
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I never noticed a significant gain in vigor of my gasoline engines in wet weather, on the other hand while passing in a fresh forest yes: it is due on the one hand to a greater density of air, on the other hand at a higher oxygen rate ...
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oiseautempete wrote:
Alain G wrote:I know that when the weather is very wet a gasoline engine has much more force!
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I never noticed a significant gain in vigor of my gasoline engines in wet weather, on the other hand while passing in a fresh forest yes: it is due on the one hand to a greater density of air, on the other hand at a higher oxygen rate ...


Aouch aouch!

Well when you have driven more than 1,5 million km like me with my foot not very green, maybe you will see the difference!

It never occurred to you that precisely in a colder environment the air tends to condense, I live in a very cold environment and I can tell the difference between cold air and cold and humid air!

Humid air contains more oxygen! Put water under vacuum and see what reaction you have!
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View Alain G » 11/09/10, 04:32

Sorry I didn't notice the double post!
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View coucou789456 » 11/09/10, 08:58

Hello everybody

before to relax the atmosphere: (unrelated to the subject, nor to some participants)
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for you decide between you and oiseautempete, I remind you of the editing that did Xaveco on his petrol vehicle, the reality of which I myself witnessed.

it is neither more nor less than a system which humidifies the air because it eliminates the bubbling of the water. the heated water is evaporated and the result passes into the reactor, essentially to be brought to a higher temperature there.

the observed savings are very present, and as he points out, greater flexibility of operation, and less smoke at the outlet because the outlet is cleaner than a vehicle normally equipped.

So think about it for petrol vehicle users ... on the other hand, is the presence of the reactor really necessary?

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