# Perpetual motion is?

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nlc wrote:The 2eme video does not shock you? There is a multitude of lamps lit on the right, while on the left they even have trouble lighting it, so the effort to push the pendulum is insignificant

Perhaps a large part of the clock is used for 9 lamps and a very small part for the lamp alone.

Moreover, to operate the lamp by hand, only the muscles of the hand are put to the test whereas to push the pendulum is those of the arm to see the body.

I see a system that allows better performance compared to the energy supplied to the source.

After .. I am not a specialist far from there
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bolt
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nlc wrote:I feel like I'm going to spend a sleepless night myself

good evening nlc

as everything is relative, relativisons:

the pendulum makes 18 kg, and when it oscillates (swing) its center of gravity is virtually higher (how many cm according to you):
it's a simplistic reasoning, but I would say that at this moment, it has an energy potential of 18 kg x 0,25 m:
This is equivalent (if we neglect the friction forces) to the energy to raise a bucket of water from 9 liters to 50 cm in height (weight of the bucket neglected)

saw the flow of his water pump, it would take how much oscillation to fill it according to you: normally (without friction) once launched, it could pump 9 liters by raising the water of 50 cm at the pump outlet compared to the level where it takes the water

with, of course, at the end of the pumping: the pendulum stopped

nlc wrote:so much effort to push the pendulum is insignificant Razz

it seems insignificant, but imagine 18 kg
and also: if we give the impulse when the pendulum is down: as it is then that it goes faster: the weak force that we apply (but so with a fast speed as we is forced to follow him to apply force) makes us virtually think that it is not a lot of power of impulse, but do not forget: power = force x speed

if we give the impulse from a high point: only the weight of the hand (that we no longer have to support in height at this moment) makes us think that it is easy

see you
and make nice dreams

bolt
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nlc
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Damn it, but you do it express or what?
Do you think I'm stupid enough to not know what's a lever?

2 side of a lever arm has a balance of forces: heavier on one side but short distance to travel, and the other low force but applied over a longer distance.

Except that precisely the syringe test makes it possible to make the "product" of the force applied by the distance, roughly to determine the total necessary power.
It is clear that the 2 syringes have advanced the same distance while one of the volume is much larger!

But you rush into your certainties without even thinking. Besides, if you think it's a waste of time, why are you posting on this subject? Why are you administering this site? Why not rather make pantones in series?
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Thank you bolt I hope he will achieve a little better deception with your explanations than mine ...
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nlc
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Bolt wrote:[but do not forget: power = force x speed

Exactly, the image a little above compares well the strength x speed 2 listed ...
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Rah but he insciste !!

Here's it: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouvement_perp%C3%A9tuel

It is surely not written (that) by engineer of little spirit who spit their books blindly ...
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nlc
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Christophe wrote:Here, looking at his diagram, we can already see a "fault" ... the impetus is given when the pendulum is not in the low position ... therefore the energy comes from the initial potential energy of the pendulum ...

??
To maintain the oscillation of a pendulum one can give him the impulse at any moment of the instant or one does not push in opposite direction ...
The best moment (and the simplest) is necessarily when it has reached the highest point and it will go down (its speed is then zero).

Christophe wrote:I would simply like to know how he estimated the 0,037 J ... (it is the energy of their "helping hand") ...

Ben certainly compared to the time it took some weight to get the syringe down a certain distance
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I give up ... Build your proto, buckle it and rediscute it ... Like Mikhail ...

ps: in fact it's not you who shocks me but the people who spread such poison ...
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nlc
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To read, on the inventor of the process:

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/O_VeljkuEng.html

A precursor of ecology?
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