eclectron wrote:Christophe wrote:So you need a hot source and a cold source ...
No, I don't think so, just a hot spring: room temperature.
aheem ....
you need a little thermodynamics course ...
this is precisely what the laws of thermodynamics prohibit, the conversion of a monothermal source into work (or into electricity, it is the same). This amounts to saying that perpetual motion of the second kind is prohibited.
Reminder: perpetual movement of the first kind is a movement maintained from "nothing", ie a creation of energy. It is prohibited by the first principle of thermo (energy is conserved).
The perpetual motion of the second kind is a little more subtle: it does not consist in creating energy, and respects the first principle. on the other hand, it consists in transforming heat into work from a monothermal source.
It sounds innocent, but if we knew how to do that, we wouldn't need a power source anymore. For example, an electric car that brakes produces heat. If we knew how to transform 100% of the heat into electricity, we could recover the braking energy to recharge the battery, and therefore once the first charge has been carried out, no need for recharging. (NB in fact the braking is largely electromagnetic so we recover a part of the energy, which is not prohibited, but not that in the form of heat.)
The second principle states that it is impossible. By a series of subtle and rigorous reasoning, Carnot showed that it was equivalent to saying
a) that a hot source and a cold source were necessarily needed, and that part of the heat had to be transferred to the cold source by being "lost".
b) that there were machines which could be reversible or irreversible, but that all reversible machines had to have exactly the same efficiency, and that all irreversible machines had to have a lower efficiency than reversible machines
c) that it was therefore sufficient to calculate the efficiency of ONE particular reversible machine to know the maximum efficiency of any machine, which he did with the "carnot cycle", which provided him with the maximum value of so-called Carnot 1 yield - Tf / Tc.
If we make Tf = Tc (a single temperature) then the efficiency is zero, hence the impossibility of producing electricity from a single temperature (and in particular from "ambient temperature").
Later Clausius demonstrated that this principle was equivalent to postulating the existence of a fundamental quantity called entropy, and postulating that the entropy of the Universe could only increase (the transformation of monothermal heat into work would make it decrease) .
Even later Boltzmann showed that this law could be interpreted within the framework of statistical physics, and that this amounted to saying that the number of microscopic states accessible to a system could only increase with time.
It has become an absolutely fundamental principle of physics, as important as relativity. So again, it's not a little lab experiment even with graphene or some other "nano object" that will contradict it. And if that had been the case, it would have been such a thunderclap in physics that it would have made all the headlines and won the Nobel Prize to its discoverers, which does not seem to be the case .... It's a bit like saying that we found an alien artifact on the Moon but no one had reported about it in the newspapers.
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