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by curiosus » 03/08/08, 00:36

taramop wrote:hi everyone following what i was showing you the other time

I was inspired of course by all that trails on the internet

https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... O4eI3v.avi
For the purposes of video capture I have of course put the cylinders in transparent.

Even if I have some doubt about the real functioning of this project
I think there may be food for thought
In any case it feels good to press the brain a little


Nice interesting video - I see the brains smoke, it's a good sign :D
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by Capt_Maloche » 03/08/08, 15:30

taramop wrote:
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... O4eI3v.avi
For the purposes of video capture I have of course put the cylinders in transparent.

Even if I have some doubt about the real functioning of this project
I think there may be food for thought, In any case it feels good to press the brain a little


Sacred beautiful animation, with what do you do that?

for operation, it will only work if your "screens" are self-compensated

So do the following test with 2 magnets:
Place a thin metal piece (sheet metal, knife or other) between 2 magnets oriented N / S in attraction therefore and then in opposition

tell me what you notice
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by taramop » 03/08/08, 19:11

Hi Capt '

I did this with SolidWorks2006
after drawing my pieces I assembled them with a few constraints (with a ladle a good hundred) :?
I made a simu circular motor at the level of the axes connecting rods and cams (the lazy one of drawn a chain)
and the video capture is done when you re-view your simu.

THE app is nice, fairly easy to handle and is even capable of simulating magnetism
The problem is that I find the option nowhere (too confidential) : Cry:
I take this opportunity to launch a call

can someone have or find me COSMOSEMS for SW2006 : Cheesy:


"Electromagnetic Analysis (COSMOSEMS): COSMOSEMS is a 3D simulator for low frequency electromagnetism and electromechanical applications. COSMOSEMS includes the following modules:

Electrostatic and electrical conduction

magnetostatics

AC magnetism

Transient magnetism "

otherwise what do you mean by self compensated :?: :?: :?: :?:
as I said above when I have the time the financial means and the material to do it : Cry: :frown:
I found a box which is responsible for calculating the screen which is fine depending on the use : Lol:
http://www.mecamagnetic.fr/accueil_fr.php
But for the moment it's just a study : Mrgreen: for my little brain that didn't cogitate enough : Mrgreen:
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by quartz » 03/08/08, 20:45

Good evening everyone, :D

Taramop I sent you an MP, it doesn't always work well on e forum,
Watch your box.

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by Capt_Maloche » 03/08/08, 21:24

taramop wrote:Hi Capt '

I did this with SolidWorks2006


otherwise what do you mean by self compensated :?: :?: :?: :?:


well, did you take the test with the 2 magnets? do it and you will understand :D
nothing beats his own experience
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by taramop » 03/08/08, 21:57

evening quartz
not yet received your MP ??
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by quartz » 03/08/08, 22:14

amazes me that in half Taramop

I use a public address magpowersystem@free.fr
send a little word, give you a little answer.
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by quartz » 09/08/08, 18:17

Hello everybody :D

After watching a few old test videos,
it turns out you're probably going to have more engine time on your machine Taramop,
In practice it is not useful to push the shutter between the two pistons,
he goes there alone!
Even that it pulls a lot on the thing.
To sum up, distant piston departure,
engine time on the shutter (penetration between pistons),
engine time on the pistons in "attraction" (once the shutter in place),
Shutter extraction (critical time),
engine time on the pistons in "pushed back" (once the shutter is out).
The critical time is really very critical in the sense that one must extract the shutter when it is at the maximum of its request by the pistons.
So that the traction at the entry is weaker because the pistons are distant.
The whole trick of the concept will lie in the idea that will allow the shutter to withdraw with minimal force.

Some loose ideas,
produce a minimum mechanical stroke to remove the shutter (obvious but good)

Rather than having a passage from a vacuum to a full, use "shutters",
The section of the shutters is rectangular, they rotate on themselves,
When they rotate, they both move closer to the pistons,
but leaves a leakage opening, which can be amplified if the flaps settle on one side.

Another tip is to put the shutter in balance (springs or magnetic),
so that the retraction force is minimized.

I'm sure one of you has the right idea.

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by caracole » 09/08/08, 22:17

Nice video, but a stupid question: Are the Pistons not “molesting” each other? because of the magnetic field? unless they (the pistons) are far enough apart.
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by taramop » 11/08/08, 21:16

Bonjour à tous
quartz
It is on that the opening in good time of the shutter is the critical point of the concept

Critical at the energy consumption level and as I said previously at the opening speed and opening time levels (just after top dead center).
For energy consumption I have not yet managed to make the software work on the efforts to be made to move the cam spring shutter system
Before using the cam I thought of making a lever system to reduce the extraction efforts.
the disadvantage and of course the shutter speed and the race which is not sufficient to open the shutter
A few pieces of this idea remain on the model

Image

The other idea was to use an electromagnetic actuator
But ???

caracole
To answer you no, the magnets would not come into contact as the support for the shutter mask made on the 5mm thick model

Image

On the other hand the magnets do not like to be in opposition and lose their magnetization with force.
now after a long time ????

Ps for quartz I installed the little software that you sent me but for the moment it crashes sw when I use it : Evil: .
I have to do something he likes poas : Lol:
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