Electrorheology - Electrical treatment of gas oil

[izentrop]

Magnets is a pipe ... but any pre-ionization of the fuel (or oxidant) can be favorable to a more total combustion ... which is a plasma ... therefore an ionized gas!

Pre-ionizing is facilitating the exchange of electron and neutron / proton (caricature ... but basically that's it)

After all is a matter of ionization energy / gain combustion ...

They could one day make their appearance in the engines of our cars or in the jet engines of planes. Their function: to improve combustion. A plasma is a partially ionized gas, which means that the electrons of certain molecules have been ejected1. "Thanks to the plasma, the fuel is made more reactive, which makes it possible to operate engines at speeds where they are usually unstable", explains Axel Vincent, researcher at the Department of Fundamental and Applied Energetics at Onera in Palaiseau. https://www.onera.fr/fr/actualites/le-p ... combustion.

Plasma makes it possible to ignite the fuel more easily, to accelerate combustion, to avoid jolts and beats, and to promote the homogeneity of combustion. In short, it acts as a combustion catalyst. Among the applications envisaged: the use of fuel-poor mixtures, in order to reduce pollutant emissions (in particular nitrogen oxides), the operation of 2 micro-turbines, and the improvement of supersonic combustion.

[Christophe]

That's what I think and say for years!

But I have not on hand the M € of ONERA ...

[Christophe]

Some "old" links:

understanding water-injection / combustion-aided-by-plasma-t1609.html

https://www.econologie.com/plasmhyrad-c ... -radicaux/

https://www.econologie.com/depollution-plasma/

[izentrop]

It is also written

Our plasmas are created by strong discharges, themselves generated by carrying high voltage electrodes: 20 to 25 kilovolts. These discharges have a very short lifetime, about 100 nanoseconds (100 billionths of a second), and are repeated regularly, at a frequency of 10 kilohertz. The electrodes are placed at the end of the injector.

I do not see anywhere real comparative classic combustion and combustion assisted by this type of discharge ... not obvious that it resulted in concrete?

[kistinie]

It's the pleasure of contradicting? I can understand, I have children.

No contradiction, just my way of doing adding that you should not go to the bottom of the tank, which you have not mentioned and yet that is essential.

Ahaha Rigolus. And put a spoon in the champagne bottle rather than a cork?

This is an urban legend hawked by anyone who has never disassembled a tank.
The fuel is taken at the lowest point, just a few millimeters above the bottom, frequently via a strainer that filters only large debris, nothing but debris.

The filling therefore has absolutely no effect on the intake which is always down, because the water is heavier than the fuel, so stagnates at the bottom, at the point of capture ...

PS: On the other hand refuel with a tank bottom almost empty of the gas station is a good way to have problems. But there, impossible to know, is the lottery.

[kistinie]

It is also written

Our plasmas are created by strong discharges, themselves generated by carrying high voltage electrodes: 20 to 25 kilovolts. These discharges have a very short lifetime, about 100 nanoseconds (100 billionths of a second), and are repeated regularly, at a frequency of 10 kilohertz. The electrodes are placed at the end of the injector.

I do not see anywhere real comparative classic combustion and combustion assisted by this type of discharge ... not obvious that it resulted in concrete?

Unconnected. The technology evoked in this subject concerns the exposure of fuel to THT, not the doping of the plasma of oxidation-reduction (combustion) by a pulsed wave which is another subject or gains of 30% on gas or gas. Essence are common values ​​(see ONERA works)

[izentrop]

30% gains on gas or gasoline are common values ​​(see ONERA works)

Compared to what ?
I want to see a document above

[izentrop]

The technology mentioned in this topic concerns the exposure of fuel to THT, not the doping of plasma

You discussed it yourself by making an error of appreciation inventions, innovations / eelectrorheology-treatment-of-electric-diesel-t16181-10.html # p371087

Otherwise, improve the consumption on Mercedes 300D years 80 is not exceptional, whether in THT, plasma or other optimization.

[Janic]

This is an urban legend hawked by anyone who has never disassembled a tank.
The fuel is taken at the lowest point, just a few millimeters above the bottom, frequently via a strainer that filters only large debris, nothing but debris.

it's very fair, often and more and more debris of belts that can clog the strainers.

The filling therefore has absolutely no effect on the intake which is always down, because the water is heavier than the fuel, so stagnates at the bottom, at the point of capture ...

even there, the fuel pump will not syphon only water, at most it will crawl the engine.

PS: On the other hand refuel with a tank bottom almost empty of the gas station is a good way to have problems. But there, impossible to know, is the lottery.

even there, except to have fuel of very bad quality, the filters (to change regularly and that some forget to do) with gasoline or gas oïl avoid these problems, except on vehicles of 50 years.

[GuyGadebois]

This is an urban legend hawked by anyone who has never disassembled a tank.
The fuel is taken at the lowest point, just a few millimeters above the bottom, frequently via a strainer that filters only large debris, nothing but debris.

It's true that a car, it does not move ...