[Topic Unique] magnetic motors of any kind!

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by gildas » 24/09/14, 12:30

Yes, very simple application of the theory!
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by hic » 24/09/14, 12:50

Gildas wrote:Yes, very simple application of the theory!

It is a constant power ban test controlled by the heart rate.

Uh! no! It's theorized practice, ("" The rest I had it before "" Gébé's Year 01) finally for me,
it's highway and it's a bit wide.

It is common sense both literally and figuratively :D
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by hic » 02/10/14, 11:04

Capt_Maloche wrote:So you have to spend less :D object if any forum

To answer the question of gfgh31, "it does not loop" because the magnetic circuit formed by a magnet is constant / invariable

and that a "flow" which travels by a piece of metal while attracting it is itself a loop (of what in fact?) of nothing, one speaks only of forces, not of energy

and to transform a force into energy it must be alternative (like an electric motor for example)
The force exerted by a magnet permanent (it's in the text) is constant, so no energy to exploit.


The magnet is a great object, there is something to have fun with 8)

energy:
Any action crossing the force field causes a feedback Moderation Capt_Maloche: Very badly said: "any interaction in a magnetic field has an energy balance at best zero, in reality negative"

and therefore transforms the force field into energy. No, the energy of movement inserted in the field is the source of energy

no difference between magnet flux, coil A magnetic field is a magnetic field

The origin of the flux of a magnet is unknown, see my post below

like half the magnetism of an engine (which is missing, cannot but exist according to thermodynamics). Ooh La La ! there are only forces and losses in an engine

A rotating magnet causes a rotating force field Well done ! you progress : Cheesy:

The magnets of a brushless are active and produce feedback energy at the height of their forces. A magnet is a magnet, it is not active

For the rest, the inventors have the floor, giving them the benefit of the doubt, to say the least.
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by highfly-addict » 02/10/14, 20:49

: Mrgreen: the keys of a keyboard are active and produce feedback energy at the height of their force.
: Mrgreen:

Ok ----> I'm going out ..... : Mrgreen: : Lol:
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by Capt_Maloche » 02/10/14, 23:32

On the magnets, here is an explanation of a forumer which is quite suitable

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A macroscopic magnet is simply a set of aligned microscopic magnets that each atom has (or does not have). which poses 2 questions:

.1 What is the origin of atomic magnets?
.2-What is the mechanism that aligns these magnets?
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1- The origin of atomic magnets.
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A magnet is a source of magnetic field whose origin is an electric current in the language of classical physics. To explain the phenomenon of quantum mechanics, we can keep the images of classical physics. As with the planets, there are two types of movement: the orbital movement of the electrons around the nucleus and the rotation movement of the electrons on themselves (the spin). The magnetic field resulting from the 2 types of movement defines a small magnet (the magnetic moment).

Alignment of atomic magnets
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The phenomenon of alignment of atomic magnets is a purely quantum phenomenon which has no classical analogue. Its origin is purely electrostatic? the "phenomenon is oddly called exchange interaction.

However, we represent the phenomenon by saying that each atomic magnetic moment is bathed in the magnetic field of all other magnets. In this case it is shown that for the magnet system to minimize the total energy, all the magnets must be aligned. This is called ferromagnetism. But beware, this convenient representation is completely false. The magnetism is of purely electrostatic origin.
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by izentrop » 03/10/14, 00:58

Good evening, Cap-Maloche, your quotation does not seem exact to me :|
The magnetism is of purely electrostatic origin.
These are 2 different concepts.
the rotational movement of electrons on themselves (the spin)
erroneous
A magnet is a source of magnetic field whose origin is an electric current
No, no electric current, otherwise there would be energy consumption. Only orientation of the electron spin. http://www.ast.obs-mip.fr/users/donati/expo/3.1.pdf .
The spin of the atomic nucleus is also not affected in ferromagnetism.
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by hic » 03/10/14, 08:24

Capt_Maloche wrote:On the magnets, here is an explanation of a forumer which is quite suitable

Hello,
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A macroscopic magnet is simply a set of aligned microscopic magnets that each atom has (or does not have). which poses 2 questions:

.1 What is the origin of atomic magnets?
.2-What is the mechanism that aligns these magnets?
.
1- The origin of atomic magnets.
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A magnet is a source of magnetic field whose origin is an electric current in the language of classical physics. To explain the phenomenon of quantum mechanics, we can keep the images of classical physics. As with the planets, there are two types of movement: the orbital movement of the electrons around the nucleus and the rotation movement of the electrons on themselves (the spin). The magnetic field resulting from the 2 types of movement defines a small magnet (the magnetic moment).

Alignment of atomic magnets
.
The phenomenon of alignment of atomic magnets is a purely quantum phenomenon which has no classical analogue. Its origin is purely electrostatic? the "phenomenon is oddly called exchange interaction.

However, we represent the phenomenon by saying that each atomic magnetic moment is bathed in the magnetic field of all other magnets. In this case it is shown that for the magnet system to minimize the total energy, all the magnets must be aligned. This is called ferromagnetism. But beware, this convenient representation is completely false. The magnetism is of purely electrostatic origin.
An energy motor is 1Xelectric / 1Xmagnetic / 1Xmechanical,
it cannot respond to Newton's third law by its magnetism.
The origin of the missing magnetic energy of an engine is unknown to me.

In terms of the exchange of thermodynamics,
the energetic origin of the flux of a magnet is unknown to me.

These are ballistics terms.
In terms of the exchange of thermodynamics,
the origin of the movement is energy,
the origin of the force field is energy,
when they meet each one does their share of work, action and feedback,
and therefore conversion energy.
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by hic » 04/10/14, 07:10

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by hic » 04/10/14, 07:51

Hi Capt Maloche
Hic wrote:
Capt_Maloche wrote:So you have to spend less :D object if any forum

To answer the question of gfgh31, "it does not loop" because the magnetic circuit formed by a magnet is constant / invariable

and that a "flow" which travels by a piece of metal while attracting it is itself a loop (of what in fact?) of nothing, one speaks only of forces, not of energy

and to transform a force into energy it must be alternative (like an electric motor for example)
The force exerted by a magnet permanent (it's in the text) is constant, so no energy to exploit.


The magnet is a great object, there is something to have fun with 8)

energy:
Any action crossing the force field causes a feedback
Moderation Capt_Maloche: Very badly said: "any interaction in a magnetic field has an energy balance at best zero, in reality negative"

The force field of a magnetic suspension is permanent at maximum force, which destroys the myth of the trampoline

and therefore transforms the force field into energy.
No, the energy of movement inserted in the field is the source of energy
the force field is also a form of energy like movement, so in action / feedback, they each provide conversion energy

no difference between magnet flux, coil A magnetic field is a magnetic field

The origin of the flux of a magnet is unknown,
see my post below
Post showing the detail but not the origin

like half the magnetism of an engine (which is missing, cannot but exist according to thermodynamics).
Ooh La La ! there are only forces and losses in an engine

An energy motor is 1Xelectric / 1Xmagnetic / 1Xmechanical,
it cannot respond to Newton's third law by its magnetism.
The origin of the missing magnetic energy of an engine is unknown to me.




A rotating magnet causes a rotating force field
Well done ! you progress : Cheesy:
does not meet Newton's third law

The magnets of a brushless are active and produce feedback energy at the height of their forces.
A magnet is a magnet, it is not active
These are ballistics terms.
In terms of the exchange of thermodynamics,
the origin of the movement is energy,
the origin of the force field is energy,
when they meet each one does their share of work, action and feedback,
and therefore conversion energy.


For the rest, the inventors have the floor, giving them the benefit of the doubt, to say the least.
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by hic » 06/10/14, 11:21

All the reasoning of the forum collapses if it is pointed out
that the theory of thermodynamics has been solving the problem for 200 years.

In terms of the exchange of thermodynamics,
the origin of the movement is energy,
the origin of the force field is energy,
when they meet each one does their share of work, action and feedback,
and therefore conversion energy.
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