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[zac]

Hello
For gasoline I have mounted only three (which I no longer see) so I can't give you reliable tips.
for water doping on diesel: up to 2litres a reactor (after 2l 2reactor) diameter 12 to 16 between iron 1.5 to 2 mm length 120 to 250; depending on the shape of the exhaust.
What is important:
1) as warm as possible, therefore as close as possible to the collector and good insulation (glass wool + aluminum foil + wire is not beautiful but it works)
2) a good depression, therefore a venturia which holds the road; mini 300mm of depression at 2500tr more is better.
3) never increase the diameter of the exhaust.
For the cons on the three vehicles that I use the fall (after running about 1500km) is 10 to 40/100 on the mercedes the particles dropped from 7.9 to 0.21 on the other I am not yet ironed control.
if you need pipes do not hesitate there is a box mp on the post !!!
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zac

[PITMIX]

Well thank you
Zac you have a message in your mp box but it displays 0 private message at the top of the page since there is the new forum.
I think I will contact you by mp because I already have a 40 page post on the water doped super 5.
Soon I will end up scoupling all the posts with my operating problems.
I will still remember what Triumph is asking me.
Currently I have a reactor in the exhaust without increasing the diameter of the exhaust pipe. It is just at the exit of the collector the entry is at the bottom and the exit at the top a tube of 20 to 30 cm and 6mm in diameter (before it was 14mm) in the shape of a semicircle supplies the engine with gas just geet in the intake manifold under the Weber compound double-barrel carburetor. This tube enters the collector to the bottom and is cut at a bevel and flared at the end in order to improve the suction. I use a homemade water carburetor. It is a 15-21 nut on which is welded a piece of threaded rod 10mm in diameter. I perforated this piece of threaded rod to 4mm and made a conical shape at the entrance and at the exit. It's been a little venturi. In the middle of this venturi the water passes through a 0,8mm outer diameter tube. My reactor measures 40 cm for the tube and 15 cm for the rod. My rod is 15cm from the entrance and 10cm from the exit.
The rod is 12mm in diameter and the tube is 15-21. Galvanized tube and steel rod. I plan to put a 14mm stainless steel rod.
I just put a 50cm pipe against the exhaust in which the water carburetor spits before the steam enters the reactor.
I have 160-220 ° C at the reactor outlet on my tube. I never measured the exhaust temperatures before and after the reactor. I lack thermocouple wire.
I use an aquarium valve for the water flow (Not well it leaks) and I used an exchanger with the coolant to preheat the water. I fired it since I put a tube between the water carburetor and the reactor.
I think my system works better since the installation of the tube against the exhaust but nothing certain.
There, I think I've done everything.
PS I am too windowy to make me a bubbler in the rule of art with a double wall for reheating in a bain marie.
PS I made a site with the infos on my montage photos video diagram ... available by clicking on "www" at the bottom of my messages.

[lau]

Hello,
my mounting on 2,4L diesel is accessible in the experimentation section. I have so far only 1200km and I cap at 6,33l / 100 instead of 7,4l / 100 before the prototype is a little less than 15% fuel economy.
It's not terrible but I'm happy. The pantone is a great adventure, attracts the curious and in addition to this substantial economy, pollution should be reduced.
Only before my assembly I passed the CT and I was at 0,23 with the opacimeter, which is very low.
the reason: my driving is a little nervous, which should appeal to the mobile sawmill which does not like cushions
joking aside, I did the highway in May for 3 days to block (140 150km / h), it scours the cylinders at this speed on this type of vehicle which begins to bawl serious at only 115km / h .
It is effective but it wears it seems, come on, I did it once!
The white handkerchief test before the pantone remained white! ...
What I would like is to go back to the opacimeter to see if I fell to zero, only 45 € to put a probe in the pot, it's expensive coffee! .. it will be necessary to wait for 2007 or so a test ban.
The pantone increases the service life of the engine, drains oil, pollutes less and reduces fuel consumption. One negative point: you must monitor your water consumption.
About water, did you know that a bottle filled with water and subjected for a period of time to classical music sees its crystals change (test of freezing with a control bottle).

[jean63]

bolt : Arrow:

The tractor 22 is therefore not you, but what is your equipment, on what vehicle and does it work?

Apologies if I have followed poorly, but it is getting harder and harder to follow everyone, especially since I have only been there since 15 Dec 2005!

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[Other]

Hello,
We will try to recap because the montages change often and we will not talk about small 125cc montages

On the Chevrolet V6 3,8 liter petrol injection 230000km
Automatic transmission.
1 complete stainless steel reactor on 3 cylinders only
Rod diameter 1/2 or 12,7mm stainless steel tube with steel core
rod length 200mm
Reactor stainless steel tube 310 21/15
1-Water carburetor with 3,2mm nozzle
2- 4 liter copper bubbler heated by 3 large turns of 10mm copper tube traversed by the exhaust gases
Entrance came out of reactor 16/14 copper conduit
length of 520mm diameter.

Before panton
Average vehicle consumption over 108000 km 12,3 liters / 100
best consumption at 100kmh 10,5

After panton with carburetor
better fuel consumption when driving at 100km / h
8,7 liters secondary road
8,5 flat highway
With test bubbler only in winter hilly road
8,9 per -12 (remains to compare with summer)
The candles and oil remain very clean, significantly more torque with a trailer of 2 cubic meters of earth.
Water consumption 0,8 liters (that's too much)
The internal combustion engine is sensitive to too much water consumption

With Lamba probe to connect it consumes more with doping
Lamba probe to disconnect and control wealth with a potentiometer according to the reading of the 0,02 volt probe



On the Mercedes 300 TD 3 liter 5 cylinder turbo diesel 325 km
Automatic transmission.
Reactor placed directly 20mm from the turbo wheel
bad drawing of the conduits of many 90 elbows
1 try rod in stainless steel diameter 19mm length 152mm
2 esaie rod in stainless steel diameter 19 length 100mm
21 / 25,4 stainless steel tube reactor
1 carburetor test with double venturi small nozzle 4mm large nozzle 8mm
3 try single 4mm nozzle
4 tries carburetor which spits in a narrow bubbler integrated in the exhaust.

Reactor outlet
1 try copper tube of 14/16
2 try copper tube of 20/22

Venturi in the intake manifold
Diameter of the duct 62mm venturi narrow passage 35mm
placed in front of the turbo
Depression in the reactor outlet pipe
700mm of water at 2800RPM.

Better consumption before pantom while driving at 100kmh and less
8,9 liters per 100km

Better consumption after panton while driving at 115kmh
i.e. a 675km journey 43,8 liters of diesel 6,5 liters / 100
The comparison is better at higher speed that's why the test with pants is done at 115 km / h and more
Water consumption 1,2 liters and more
Diesel is not very sensitive to the amount of water consumed

It should be noted that the figures changed because of the numerous modifications, we always want to improve it, especially when we are compared to the 22 ... If it is as rare to find as the Citroen traction
the famous 22 that all collectors are looking for ..

Andre

[rezut]

hello triumph and welcome to the forum

Hello pitmix
Explain your assembly (length of the reactor, location,
diameter of the pipes and length… etc) temperature before and after reactor and temperature of the gases that you admit into the intake pipe, brief explanation of your assembly.
1 we can give you an idea.
2 this will avoid errors to the other

if you have traveled the forum (and that I doubt it) you would have seen that pitmix with his post (42 pages) to give everything as explanations so takes a little courage all the way forum and comes to ask relevant questions then because I think everyone on this forum (at least those who have a montage share their experience and their ideas without asking anything in return except the result obtained by the new ones)
you will excuse me for my answer but when i see questions like that it makes me jump
we are not here to do the maximum post (except certain who happens to be an expert Econologist without having made a single editing) but to share our experiences and respond as best as we can to real problems

no hard feelings i hope

[gil67]

if you have to provide a CV to ask questions, you should not be surprised by the small number of participants in the forum.
Since the time I frequent this forum, I have never heard André, Doctor of Experimentation, refuse any information.
In addition, it is useful to recall that the only assembly having performances close to those announced by Pantone is that of the tractor n ° 22.
If there is a base to use this is it. The problem is that it is impossible to reach the owner. Maybe he is trying to keep an edge in order to be able to market it.
For my part I no longer work on the Pantone, cracking the water molecule seems more promising to me. I thus work more on the rest of the car, chassis etc ... in order to have a car adapted to the current possibilities in terms of cracking. Because mounting such a thing on a car that weighs 1t5, does not make too much sense, especially since the production of H2 is only enough for a small 125ccm3.

André, we don't know each other, but it's always a pleasure to read you.
Regards
Gil

[PITMIX]

Okay don't get mad my coconuts .
I prefer to be asked for more details to help me rather than asking nothing.
I am one of the few experimenters to test the Pantone on a gasoline fuel car. Shame there were people here more advanced than me at the end of 2005 on engines equivalent to mine but they do not give more news.
Triumph has made numerous assemblies on petrol vehicles but with bubblers and petrol injection. On the bike I guess it is with a vacuum fuel ...
I think I have largely resolved the inconveniences of water carburetor water and air temperature. Theoretically my reactor absorbs the same thing as if I had put a bubbler.
What surprises me is that I only have 40 to 70 ° C in vapor temperature at the inlet of the reactor. Maybe I should isolate the tube on the exhaust.
Here is the current photo.
available on my Super 5 post here
https://www.econologie.com/forums/renault-super-5-dopee-a-l-eau-t1110-410.html

[Other]

Hello Pitmix
Why do you think that what I spit the carburetor in a tube that looks like dry bubbler in the exhaust before going to the reactor?
Go see the last assembly on the Mercedes that I did this fall.
Look at what MMM has done, he walks the product through a heated tube before going to the reactor. Ask him the question
Obviously he uses an injection system, you a carburetor
but after this atomization it is necessary to prepare this product before going to the reactor.

For Gil 67
I am far from having the performance of the 22 and even the 42 which is the basis of the reactors, exceeding 30% all the time I would already be satisfactory.
When my pedigree I am a simple electromechanic retired a skillful handyman well equipped, so more time available to write on the forum,
You know the titles or ranks assigned to a person, that doesn't mean much.
In crossword puzzles: broomstick specialist
Aviator or sweeper it fits in the same holes ..
I do my share of mistakes and don't believe that what I do works the first time, far from it I always have to start several times for it to work and when it works I am never satisfied with the performance j '' want more ...
Most of the time, I intervene with a colorful and detailed language, The new ones who start need some basics, but they have to try too, in my experiences I may have missed out on important things. ..

Following a telephone conversation with a manufacturer
I learned that he operated his pants with steam entering the reactor, I will soon try his way.
I think he himself will talk about his editing on the forum,
If there are others who have successfully operated or simply tried water doping other than with a bubbler, it would be good to have news.
Those who have operated with a too hot bubbler? have comments

Andre

[jean63]

To respond to rezut:

In this forum, we intervene on many different subjects, not just the pantone; solar, bioclimatic habitat, electricity turbine water production, LPG, HVB ... etc, etc ... this is my case. Regarding the pantone, I am interested, but not being on the forum that since Dec 15, 2005, I watch and observe and ask questions to understand where the problems are. I'm especially André and PITMIX who do a great job of testing via interposed posts, BRAVO to them.